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Old 07-24-2007, 04:29 AM   #1
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Hydrogen inside Air Intake increases Gas Mileage?

I've come across a website that has a product that uses plain water and then through the process of electrolysis seperates Hydrogen molecules from water (brown's gas) using a 12 Volt DC current to "bubble" the water so that the hydrogen gas is then extracted from the water and gets sucked into the air intake of a car.

Hydrogen is 3X more powerful than gas and it gives it a boost... like NOS but increases gas mileage and gives it more power.

I've seen many youtube videos like this one where salt water can burn efficiently.

http://www.youtube.com/v/h6vSxR6UKFM

It burns because it is using Hydrogen to burn from the water.

The tube that you would put in your car would be alot like this one.

http://www.youtube.com/v/Md8-wvV2jHM

And two electrodes are put inside to start the process.

What do you all think about using this?

http://savefuel.ca/oxy-hydrogen/

They have different sizes and it connects to your air intake so your intake sucks in hydrogen and then the hydrogen burns inside the engine. Worth the money?
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Re: Hydrogen inside Air Intake increases Gas Mileage?

This video shows how it works better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdyaNmRtUto
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I hope you realise how much energy is required to produce enough hydrogen to make even a noticeable difference?
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Re: Hydrogen inside Air Intake increases Gas Mileage?

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I hope you realise how much energy is required to produce enough hydrogen to make even a noticeable difference?
I think maybe 10-15 Amps using 12 Volts and a good electrolyte like vinegar or salt could produce good amounts of HHO gas.

The energy would come from the alternator so that it recharges the battery at a fast enough rate so that it wont get completely discharged. Good batteries like Optima Yellowtop comes to mind for this application...

I think that realistically I can see mileage gains of 25% if enough hydrogen is produced.
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Re: Hydrogen inside Air Intake increases Gas Mileage?

I do believe that it takes more electrical energy to seperate water than can be recovered by burning the oxygen and hydrogen that are created.
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I do believe that it takes more electrical energy to seperate water than can be recovered by burning the oxygen and hydrogen that are created.
That's a good point... If that is the case why not buy a small foldable solar panel and mount it on your cars dash then have it charge the battery. This and the alternator would provide enough electricity for the battery to not drain out.

The solar panel can then have the wires run to the battery.
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Re: Hydrogen inside Air Intake increases Gas Mileage?

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That's a good point... If that is the case why not buy a small foldable solar panel and mount it on your cars dash then have it charge the battery. This and the alternator would provide enough electricity for the battery to not drain out.

The solar panel can then have the wires run to the battery.
You would need a BIG solar panel (bigger than your car) to produce the 10-15 amps you say you require to generate the hydrogen as you drive.

Using the battery to do so sounds silly because you would drain it quickly, leaving you with a car you could not restart until the solar panel recharges it.

As stated above, relying on the alternator is even worse, because you have a net energy loss in the system, negating the purpose of this procedure.
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Methane is much easier to produce compared to hydrogen. No batteries required
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"Mythbusters" busted this myth. You can actually power an internal combustion engine on pure hydrogen, but making hydrogen will take more energy than you will gain.
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Re: Hydrogen inside Air Intake increases Gas Mileage?

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Methane is much easier to produce compared to hydrogen. No batteries required

All you need is some bio mass, something to crush it, and something to process it.
Cows are very effective, so are sheep.
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Re: Hydrogen inside Air Intake increases Gas Mileage?

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All you need is some bio mass, something to crush it, and something to process it.
Cows are very effective, so are sheep.
I was thinking burrito's and a attachable tube before you get into the car.....but if you want to get complex and stuff....have at it
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Re: Hydrogen inside Air Intake increases Gas Mileage?

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That's a good point... If that is the case why not buy a small foldable solar panel and mount it on your cars dash then have it charge the battery. This and the alternator would provide enough electricity for the battery to not drain out.

The solar panel can then have the wires run to the battery.
By the time you've split hydrogen from water and burnt it again to provide shaft power, you'll be getting back about 10% of the energy you put in as electricity.
That and the process is too slow to run a car (unless you've got an electrolysis plant the size of your house).

Plugging the solar panel right into an electric motor hooked to your driveshaft would be much more efficient. But the gains from that will still be pitiful.
You'll get at the most 500 watts from a square meter of solar panel. You car needs probably 15,000 watts to maintain 100km/h on a level road.
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Re: Hydrogen inside Air Intake increases Gas Mileage?

Is anyone actually trying this of just reading and talking about it. I keep looking for someone who is useing a hydrogen generator. I guess they don't work or the people useing them would tell us.
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Re: Hydrogen inside Air Intake increases Gas Mileage?

read this tid bit of infromation.
beings we are mechanics/techs, this will be an interesting bit of reading for some of you.
I restore antique tractors and use this process all the time and it works great.
http://royalcrossfarm.com/electrolysis.htm
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