Ford Mustang GT VS Chevrolet Camaro Z28

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by Jay2002WS6

I have seen magazine comparo's of a regular C5 and a SVT Cobra (the C5 still won by the way) ... but I have never seen a Z06 vs. SVT comparo.

What??? An SVT will smoke a C5!
I see comparos of the SVT and Z06 all the time. I didn't think the C5 was even a conflict.
According the MotorTrend the SVT ''isn't quite up to the standards of a Z06, but it's close and when you take the money into account the SVT is actually a better deal''. And the one guy from SVT said ''sure the Z06 is faster, but take the money you would save and put that into the Cobra and look what happens''.

[NSUCK]

ok, all of this bickering about prices needs to stop, the fact is that a z28 is MUCH better than a GT, period. You get what you pay for, even if the fords are cheaper, they are still lacking in all categoreys... a cars value isnt based just on speed or 1/4 mile times, and put that svt on a track with actual turns with a c5 :\

but the fact is...
z28/ss > GT
I dont see anything that the mustang has up on the camaro

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by NSUCK

but the fact is...
z28/ss > GT
I dont see anything that the mustang has up on the camaro

Well no kidding the SS is better than the GT. Maybe if you compare the right things here. The Cobra (older Cobra)needs to be compared to a SS. They are close to the same price and speed. But the SS will still win, my point is you can't even compare the SS to the GT.
IMHO the GT is a piece of crap. It is very slow, and it saddens me that Ford made this to combat the Z28. That was just plain stupid.

[Jay2002WS6]

PWMAN...

An M6 C5 will hit 12.7 @ 111 -- very comparable to the SVT Cobra. A stock Z06 will hit low 12's... with the occaisional "freak" running around 12 flat bone stock.

Go to your local track and see what REALLY happens. By the way, your MotorTrend people which claim to be a reliable source of info, also say the a Camaro SS runs a 13.8, a Porsche 911 Turbo runs 12.9, and a Corvette Z06 runs a 12.8. I am frankly offended by reading some of the crap in those magazines.

Sure, the price difference between the Z06 and the SVT Cobra leaves a lot of money for mods... but the price difference between an SVT Cobra, and a Honda Civic... the Honda Civic would wipe the floor with it. That doesn't make it a better car. I would take a bone stock Corvette Z06 over a SVT Cobra with $15K worth of mods any day.

[Jay2002WS6]

Originally Posted by PWMAN

If you look at the post I replied too, it might make sense. I agree that FORD made the GT to combat the Z28, but our point is that it's such a dumb comparison it shouldn't be compared. I mean look, a 260 HP car VS a underrated 310 + more torque? Umm, duh.
We are saying that the Mach (or older Cobra)is a much closer contender, speed wise. The GT VS Z28 was a dumb comparison in the first place.

Earlier post:

Originally Posted by PWMAN

The GT mustang cannot be compared with a Z28. Ford didn't make the GT to combat them, that's what the Cobra a Mach are for.
Why don't you try to race a Mach I? After it smokes your doors off, maybe you will think differently. A Mach cannot beat an LS1, but it will certainly smoke an LT1. And the same with the old Cobra's, which have the same engine as the new Mach I.

Two posts by you... I thought I would show you some inconsistencies, and why I have felt the need to carry out this argument with you.

[NSUCK]

ok.. since no one can agree on what is a fair comparison.. lets just do this

6cyl mustang vs 6cyl camaro... woah, camaro wins here too :P

and you cant distinguish between the z28 and the SS because in reality they are the same car.. wow one has 20ish more hp and diff badges...
and seriously, you get what you pay for.. the mustang GT is totally out classed by them

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by Jay2002WS6

Earlier post:


Two posts by you... I thought I would show you some inconsistencies, and why I have felt the need to carry out this argument with you.

At first I thought that the GT wasn't Fords combat to the Z28. But since I was corrected, now I admit that I was wrong.

NSUCK- The SS is about a half a second faster in the 1/4. HP ratings don't mean jack.

[Jay2002WS6]

Originally Posted by NSUCK

ok.. since no one can agree on what is a fair comparison.. lets just do this

6cyl mustang vs 6cyl camaro... woah, camaro wins here too :P

and you cant distinguish between the z28 and the SS because in reality they are the same car.. wow one has 20ish more hp and diff badges...
and seriously, you get what you pay for.. the mustang GT is totally out classed by them

In reality the Z28 and the SS are not the "same" car.

[mikesvolta]

I just want to say that mustangs come supercharged and with DOHC and only 390hp that just sucks. Ad a supercharger to a Camaro or a vette or whatever you want and it will beat a mustang. Ive heard of stock 01 ss camaros beating stock cobras

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by mikesvolta

Ive heard of stock 01 ss camaros beating stock cobras

Well no kidding, 4.6L VS 5.7. There is no replacement for displacement, the 5.7 kills the 4.6 in the torque factor. Plus the ones you are comparing to are not supercharged. The older Cobras have 305 HP, non-SC'd. The new SVT has 390 HP supercharged. And it's a roots blower pushing a whopping 6 PSI, of course it's not going to gain much. You would be better off buying a GT and supercharging it. With a centrifical pushing about 12 intercooled PSI you should get about 450 HP out of the GT engine. And that's the SOHC 2 valve, just think if you supercharged the older cobra with the DOHC 4 valve-you would have more power than the chassis can handle.

[NSUCK]

yea.. even SS / older cobra comparison isnt fair (well its fair, but the results arnt :P )

For all of you cobra nuts... think of it this way...

2003+ svt cobra vs 98-2002 SS Camaro + supercharger...

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by NSUCK

2003+ svt cobra vs 98-2002 SS Camaro + supercharger...

OMG didn't you read my post at all? The stock supercharger is pushing a non-intercooled 6 PSI, thats barely anything. Roots blowers are also the most inefficient, they create more heat. Plus they lower the compression in that engine anyway so it's making less power to begin with.
So put an intercooled centrifical blower on an older GT and then it's easy as pie to smoke an SVT Cobra, with a GT.

[NSUCK]

ok.. but on the same note

Supercharged GT vs Supercharged z28/ss poses the same problem so were stuck again...

If you wanna say the GT is better because its cheaper than the z28, then we can say the z28/SS is better than the Cobra because they are cheaper too.. we can just add a supercharger too if we wanted :P
the LS1 also has alot more potential than the Ford motor does.

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by NSUCK

ok.. but on the same note

Supercharged GT vs Supercharged z28/ss poses the same problem so were stuck again...

Actually not. The LS1 has 10.2:1 compression, the 4.6L GT engine has 9.4:1 CR. So you can boost the GT about 8 more PSI on pump gas.
So boosting the 310 HP LS1 about 8 PSI, it should have about 450 HP.
Boosting the 260 HP 4.6L 16 PSI, you can do about 500 HP. The only difference then is torque, which will be much higher in the LS1 of course. But for a light car you don't need too much torque, so the LS1 might never get traction without big drag radials on the back.
So in a 1/4 mile race, I'm not so sure what would win, a 500 HP GT or 450 HP LS1 F-body.??? It's so close, why don't we call it even huh? I'm tired of arguing.

[CamaroSSBoy346]

Im not biased at all. I used to like mustangs, untill they started running 14's.-er they've always ran 14's stock. (any after 1960's) But, if the Mustang had a 5.7, or the Camaro had a 4.6, then i would have some more to say, but i understand how it isnt entirly fair. Lets just say, Camaro is better because the mustang is handy-capped... oh yeah, heres a 1999 GT. Has head light removed, and a cold air intake...
(tries to refrain from laughing )