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Old 10-12-2004, 09:14 PM   #1
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Angry automaticly slow transmissions

I dont mean to sound like an ass but I'm terribley confuzzled(and ilerate, sorry) I read about a couple of "enthusiasts" with auto maticly slow n/a z31s. now..... why someone would "buy" an automatic for ANY other reason than a long, slow comute in traffic(ie. L.A., Chicago) is beond me.
BUT why the HELL buy an automatic N/A 300 with the intention of making it fast?????????? again I dont want or intend to be a prick but the auto an d manual 300's are worth almost the same why not sell the pussy auto, kick in a few bucks and find a 5 spd. then do the throttlebody mod, iridium plugs, 8mm wires and "cone filter" and you will smoke almost all the ricerds and wannabe's on the way home from work. most of this statement is irrelevent if its your mom's car, your girlfriends car, or have no balls of your own
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Old 10-12-2004, 09:29 PM   #2
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Re: automaticly slow transmissions

Uhhh bro, one of the fastest Z32's in America is an automatic.

The fastest cars in the world... Are automatic.

Automatics nothing to down man... All of my Zeds have been Auto, for one reason... Traffic in Wilmington is a BITCH.

My drift car on the other hand, was 5speed... Only reason being is thats how I bought it.

There is nothing wrong with automatics... Nothing at all.

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Old 10-12-2004, 10:06 PM   #3
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ZXdriver99, I don't know where you went to racing school at but it's a proven fact that a automatic is mush faster than a standard. In formula racing and drag racing the automatic rule. So if you have a Macho man standard I have 2 automatic's that shift for shift are much quicker than the best standard transmission driver out there. The problem is most people don't know how to setup a automatic and as they come from the factory setup for nice smooth shifts, but when setup for racing, rule, RULE. Every time you grab a gear with a standard (the best drivers) you lose power to the drivetrain. Do that 5 times and you've lost .5-1 second. Whereas the automatic never does lose power to speak of and shifts much faster than any human could ever think of. Many people from the old days when automatics were shit and the only option was a standard, still think the standard is better, but unfortunetly the fact is the automatic is quicker, but not as cool as a standard. If you and I were to build two cars with the same weight and same engine mods and tires, one with a standard and the other with a automatic, the automatic well beat the standard by 1/2 second or better.

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Old 10-12-2004, 10:20 PM   #4
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Re: automaticly slow transmissions

Precisely Zgringo... Thanks for making my point

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Old 10-12-2004, 11:21 PM   #5
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Re: automaticly slow transmissions

the automatic is faster.....in drag racing. but the z32 is more of a track car. manuals are better for the track, you can heel-toe downshift, you can have the right gear selected for exiting a corner (with an automatic, when you get to the exit of a corner, you have to wait for the tranny to downshift).
automatic -> straight-line
manual -> track

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Old 10-13-2004, 12:04 AM   #6
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Re: automaticly slow transmissions

Its not that automatics are faster, but more that they are consistant, they remove the human elemant from the driving equasion. And they are also inharently stronger than a manual transmission. That and they are easy to get torque multiplication out of unlike a manual tranny. Just a few things out there thats why automatics have gained in popularity over time. It wont be long before the manual will be fazed out in favour of the sequential or semi-automatic. Its only saving grace is the fact that it is lighter than the AT setup.
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Old 10-13-2004, 12:08 AM   #7
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Re: automaticly slow transmissions

NO, I WILL ALWAYS HAVE A MANUAL! automatics aren't always stronger than a manual. take our beloved z for example, the 5-speed is a lot stronger than the automatic.

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Old 10-13-2004, 12:12 AM   #8
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Re: automaticly slow transmissions

On the contrary, the automatic transmission is stronger built than a manual at higher horse power ratings. Your stock manual will fail long before my AT if both are equally maintained on high horse power cars. This is part of the reason why many drag cars use them. But unlike a MT when a AT fails IT FAILS.
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Old 10-13-2004, 12:13 AM   #9
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yeah i can vouch for that. damn auto tranny. lol.

or you can take a look a mitsubishi and dodge. it doesnt matter if it is auto or stick it isnt gonna hold up.
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Old 10-13-2004, 12:28 AM   #10
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Re: automaticly slow transmissions

i'm with freak here, i have, and always will own 5/6 spd cars... automatics are too boring to me.. besides, you can't mess around with the car nearly as easy as you could with a manual trans..
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Old 10-13-2004, 12:34 AM   #11
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Re: automaticly slow transmissions

what do you mean mess around with them as much? I can mess around with both equally the same. It just takes a little bit different skills.
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Old 10-13-2004, 01:05 AM   #12
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well I didnt mean to stir up a rats nest with my thread nor aim at anyone in particular, but....... the auto was invented because the manuals of the day were at best a pain in the ass, and the cars themselves were harder to drive(armstrong steering, no power brakes etc, on many models) therefor the auto was invented to "help", those that could aford to, drive their huge ass cars. secondly you are right about the drag racing on the auto, but ANY OTHER TYPE OF RACING THE AUTO IS NOT PREDICTABLE. besides unless your in NHRA, any monky can can smash their foot down and hold the wheel straight at the same time. all the rednecks do it up here all the time, but tell them the first one around the block wins and they almost always pussy out. why? an automatic REACTS to throttle modulation(first you tromp on it then it kicks down one or two gears) if it wants to, assuming the kick down cable isnt streched and it kicks down at all(I wont even get into drive-by-wire) ever had an auto kick down in a corner at full throttle. in my stick I'm already in the right gear before I even get to the corner. I'm all about drag racing, but I'm still a better driver if I loose to an kid in an auto who cant even drive stick in the first place.
P.S. in bracket racing you can easily beat every other car at the track with an 85 5spd escort (or yugo)if you can shift consistantly.
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Old 10-13-2004, 01:53 AM   #13
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Re: automaticly slow transmissions

I can drive a stick but perfer not to. I am odd like that. But I am a road course driver and I love my turns, always have and always will. Comes from my moms side of the family, she is a go fast around anything kind of driver much like all her brothers.
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Old 10-13-2004, 04:03 AM   #14
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You guys saying standard are only for drag racing, I hate to piss in your coffee cup but your all wrong. Formula GP racing cars I think all have automatics. There might be a few poorman class's that some guy's have standard but the upper class's have automatics. There stronger, shift faster and less prone to failure.
All your Indy cars, Formula 1 cars, Cart cars and drag racing top boys use automatics. The one I have in one of my Zed32's is a automatic with a 9 1/2" 5,600 stall convertor,and has 2 years hard racing on it and all I do is change my fluid. The one I'm putting in my VH45DE powered Zed32 is the same automatic (RE4R03A) used in a Zed32 except it's been beefed up to handle in excess of 1,500+HP, and guess what? I never have to change cluches or anything. All I do is drive the living shit out of it. I have a SAW kit mounted on my steering wheel and I can manually up shift or down shift by just pushing a button. Up button to go up a gear and down to drop a gear. Where my clock use to be is my indacator telling me what gear I'm in. Never take my hands off the wheel. Even my Nitrous is automatic, all I do is arm it and the rest is automatic. I don't have time to f**k around with shifting and pushing nitrous buttons. After you've done your burnouts and staged, it's all over in 7 seconds. Same with the GP's and Indy car's. They don't have time to be F**king around with the heel-toe bull shit. When your going 180+ things are happening very fast and you batter have your ducks in a row, or you'll be in deep crap real quick. Even the God awful AA/F dragsters have automatica, cause there isn't a standard out there that well handle the power they put out, If there was it would be as big as the car.
So Mr.ZXdriver99 I'll take my pussy automatic any day, and not being a "prick" out shift you, and I'm a old man.

The sites I've listed here, if any of you are interested has a system for the Zed automatic similar to the one's used on the GP's. It's called SAW, Shift at will.

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Old 10-13-2004, 07:47 AM   #15
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Re: automaticly slow transmissions

i dont belive all these crap..manual is always faster then auto..its too obvious
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