Road & Track Compares M3, Z06, & 911

[malibuick231]

I saw a stock Z06 on slicks run 11.44 at 124.Lets see a M3 do that!

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Chris
OK, in a recent Car and Driver, a Z06 and a 911 Turbo (2001, both of them), went aroung a road coarse. Guess who won? The Vette by a few seconds, not a few tenths, a few whole seconds. It was done on the same day in the same conditions. Granted, the Z06 can't take the GT2, but with a few mods, it could.

About that Lingenfelter 427 TT, I am unimpressed. The TT on the 350 has 650hp, so 77 cubes only addes 75 horsepower? When it adds 200 to the 350? I don't think so. Something's not right.

And I *HATE* heavy cars. Thats why the 959 and many new cars don't appeal to me. A 4000lb Lambo and 3400lb 911 Turbo, that just isn't right. If you think its safer, if it weighed less, it would crash with less force, so HA!

The lingenfelter TT 427 runs high 9's with a amatuer driver and the fastest it has gone is 9.45.Here is a video of some amatuer guy running high 9's
http://www.lingenfelter.com/main/lpe_tt.avi

[Blackbird01]

I wouldn't really say the driver of that car is an amatuer.
He's no professional, but in order to drive a car with that much power, you CAN'T be just some amature...
You have to have SOME skill and knowledge of the car, IMO.

[BlkZO6]

Porsche911...you have seriously funny comparisons. I think I can do that too. I have a 80s vintage family sedan, that with a few hundred dollars in mods(already done) can blow your doors off in acceleration. It can do that to your Porsche, or a new one for that matter. GT2 or not. And this is a family sedan!!! I guess Porsche is just a poor accelerating car.

[luke813]

The truth is the vette is the best overall car out there now. A coupe will yield the same performance as a porsche 911 carrera, beat a boxter, and look/sound better doing it. I must admit, porsche's are great sports cars but they cost too much and really don't focus on being a 100% pure sports car. Come on, are pretty little wood and leather interiors really necessary in a sports car? Now, lets get to the exceptional Z06, which will pretty much beat or keep up with anything on the road. The Z06 is an incredible bargain. It'll keep up with a viper, porsche turbo, and will beat any current production Ferrari. Actually, the only Feraris that can beat a Z06 are a F50 and an F40, which cost about eigth times the price. As nice as some of those exotics are, a Z06 is even more incredible for its value.

[Chris]

Actually, the Porsche 911 makes leather an option! Once you put several grand of interior options in, its nice. The corvette is very parts bin stuff, a few grand extra would fix that, and I think it should be an option (like nice wiper stalks, a non-truck radio, some aluminum/leather/soft stuff instead of plastic).

And the 360 coupe is a little faster than a Z06, but it is sooooo close.

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Chris
Actually, the Porsche 911 makes leather an option! Once you put several grand of interior options in, its nice. The corvette is very parts bin stuff, a few grand extra would fix that, and I think it should be an option (like nice wiper stalks, a non-truck radio, some aluminum/leather/soft stuff instead of plastic).

And the 360 coupe is a little faster than a Z06, but it is sooooo close.

I am not sure how you define faster. The modena beat the 2001 Z06 around thunderhill by .3 secs. That was one track with one driver. Figuring that the 2002 Z06 has another 20HP and 20lb/ft...i don't think it is possible to say the modena is faster then the Z06. There are guys at z06vette.com running 11.9 in the 1/4 with stock 2002 Z06's. If you look at how much HP each car has (405 vs 400) and the fact the Z06 weighs less....I don't belive the modena is faster then the Z06 in any way.

[luke813]

Corvettes aren't about woosy interiors. Oh, and yes a corvette Z06 is faster than a 360 modena.

0-60 corvette Z06-4.0 secs, 360 modena- 4.3 secs

[327belair]

and u know what the best part about the vette being faster than a modena? u could buy 3 vettes and have extra money for mods for the price of a 360

[327belair]

and another thing... the corvette has a front/rear weight distribution of 52/48, this almost neutral weight distribution equals almost neutral handling.......a porsche is ass-heavy, so what does that make its handling?






YES! ASS-HEAVY!
just face it, the ZO6 is the worlds best performance bargain, if u wanted to spend the same amount modding Z as u would buying a stock 911TT, then u would have a car that would blow the doors off a mclaren

bow-tie power at its finest!

[luke813]

Finally, someone who actually knows and understands what real sports cars are about. 327Bellair, we need more people like you!

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by 327belair
and another thing... the corvette has a front/rear weight distribution of 52/48, this almost neutral weight distribution equals almost neutral handling.......a porsche is ass-heavy, so what does that make its handling?






YES! ASS-HEAVY!
just face it, the ZO6 is the worlds best performance bargain, if u wanted to spend the same amount modding Z as u would buying a stock 911TT, then u would have a car that would blow the doors off a mclaren

bow-tie power at its finest!

umm...while i totally agree that the Z06 is better bang for the buck then almost any car on the market...the 911 having the engine in the back does not make it handle badly. It actually handles very well. 993 911's (the last iteration of the air cooled engine) are amazing race cars. Many of the fastest track cars in the world are based on that chassis. Many of them have different mods and turbos, but they all share a common trait the engine in the back. The fastest time ever run on Laguna Seca, by a road going car, is a 911 TT...not a 996, but a 993. Also, having the engine in the back makes the acceleration times in the 911 from 0-30 extremely fast. They hook up amazingly, AWD or not. 911's are great cars, but not the amazing deal that the Z06 is.

[Vertigo]

From what I have read, it takes an amazing amount of effort on the part of Porsche designers to make sure the car handles as well as it does with the rear engine. The reason Porsche is usually 5-10 years ahead on the technology curve than most manufacturers is that their rear engines cars demand that they are. This is not a slight on Porsche at all, but it does explain why they are so expensive. I love Vettes and Porsches alike I just don't like the Porsche price tag . As for modding the Vette well there is no argument there, the performance for the price can't be beat.

[luke813]

The thing is, porsches really don't like to be pushed. In almost every corvtte/porsche comparo the results are the same: The porsches are beasts on the track because their rear ends are to heavy. What porsches are made for are the pleasure of afluent, middle age men who want a sporty car to drive around in on sunny, Sunday afternoons. The only ones really made to be driven hard are the GT2 & 3 and RUFs. Sorry guys, but vettes have it all over them. They can be driven every day but can also give a hell of a ride on the track.

----Vettes Forever!!!!-----

[Vertigo]

I wouldn't go so far as to say they are for only Sunday cruising around the country club parking lot but since this is the Vette forum I'll let you slide :sun: .

How do the maintenance costs and overall reliability stack up? These topics aren't sexy but have real world ramifications that I think are worth considering when you look at the overall value of a car. Since I don't own either I'll leave it to those that have experience to try and answer.