What is happening with Zero paint?

[nomad_fsoak]

One more webpage for getting the right code / formula for specific pait

[Hiroboy]

Hi Guys

It seems that I'm in the sights the lawyers this week. hummmmmm
Many letters (Red Ball, Lambrogina, Jagermestar, F0rd and Pocrshe) have arrived stating that we need to stop producing paints with manufactures names in them e.g. Jagermeistar Orange (spelt wrong I know to stop google indexing this)

Which it would appear is confusing customers , thinking it is an official product, we can NOT use the name "Jagermeistar" anywhere in the description of the product as it is profiting from the use of a trademarked name.

I feel this is bullsh*t but need to find a legal solution to the problem before we continue to sell them.

I know many places like Half∞rds (UK) sell Porsche- Cobalt Blue touch up paints, which I'm being told is technically wrong and infringes trademark and copyrights.

I'm sure many of you will have opinions on the subject, but until I get legal conclusion they will not be listed as before.
Custom Paint mixing is now the same price as standard 60ml bottles.
please quote the make and code etc at the checkout in the comments box.

Phew I think this has covered it for now. I'm off on a few days rest over the bank holiday.........Then think more..

BTW we can not sell the E.Jan RB5 kits as we have been targeted about this license infringement as well, so with retreat it seems we will need to refund all pre-orders.
If you want to contact me about any of this please email support@hiroboy.com only do not PM as I don't accept them any longer due to time restrictions etc.

[btdada]

Originally Posted by Hiroboy

Hi Guys

It seems that I'm in the sights the lawyers this week. hummmmmm
Many letters (Red Ball, Lambrogina, Jagermestar, F0rd and Pocrshe) have arrived stating that we need to stop producing paints with manufactures names in them e.g. Jagermeistar Orange (spelt wrong I know to stop google indexing this)

Which it would appear is confusing customers , thinking it is an official product, we can NOT use the name "Jagermeistar" anywhere in the description of the product as it is profiting from the use of a trademarked name.

I feel this is bullsh*t but need to find a legal solution to the problem before we continue to sell them.

I know many places like Half∞rds (UK) sell Porsche- Cobalt Blue touch up paints, which I'm being told is technically wrong and infringes trademark and copyrights.

I'm sure many of you will have opinions on the subject, but until I get legal conclusion they will not be listed as before.
Custom Paint mixing is now the same price as standard 60ml bottles.
please quote the make and code etc at the checkout in the comments box.

Phew I think this has covered it for now. I'm off on a few days rest over the bank holiday.........Then think more..

BTW we can not sell the E.Jan RB5 kits as we have been targeted about this license infringement as well, so with retreat it seems we will need to refund all pre-orders.
If you want to contact me about any of this please email support@hiroboy.com only do not PM as I don't accept them any longer due to time restrictions etc.

poor Steve, I here represent whole Chinese nation to support your business

[gtziaf]

Unbelievable!!!
These idiots are don 't understand that when we built and presented a model, (in a website or to an expo) with their liveries, we made advertisement to their companies...
In this way, I think companies must leave trademarks free, to the models and hobbies.
Steve good patience with this complicated situation.

[spideyman]

This maybe a stupid question, but when ordering the paint, where it says paint code. Does he need the factory paint code or like a PPG code.

Thanks

[Hiroboy]

We need the Car/Bike Manufactures Factory Code only
PPG Code is NO good for mixing Non PPG paints as the numbers do not cross reference.
Our paint is supplied by Lechler, you can check paint formulas online at http://explorer.lechler.it/ (It can be slow) we use a local DVD version

Here is a example list of Ferrari names and codes :
Argento Nuerburgring (Met Silver) 101-111
Azzurro California (Met Silver) 524
Azzurro Ferrari (Met) 515C
Azzurro Hyperion Mica 517C
Bianco Avus (White) 100
Bianco Fuji (Pearl White) 137.739
Bleu Montecarlo (Non metallic) 20-A-548
Blu Dino - 106-A-72
Blu Lapisazzulo - 136.713
Blu Le Mans Mica 516
Blu Nart (Met Blue) 523
Blu Pozzi (Blue) 521
Blu Tour de France (Met Blue) 522
Blue Mirabeau 290.829
Canna Di Fucile (Met Black) (703.C)
Giallo Fly 102 (1982 - Onwards)
Giallo Fly Y191 (1969-1973)
Giallo Modena (Yellow) 4305
Grigio 612 Scaglietti (no code)
Grigio Alloy (Silver/Blue Metallic) 750
Grigio Ingrid (Met Silver) 720
Grigio Silverstone 740
Grigio Titanio (Met Silver) 3238
Iron Grey - 290.604
Marrone Metallizato 800.C
Nero (Black) 1240
Nero Daytona (Met Black) 910
Nuovo Nero Daytona (Met Black) 506
Oro Chiaro - 104.C
Rosso Barchetta (Red) 312
Rosso Chiaro R190
Rosso Corsa (322) Slightly Lighter than Rosso Corsa 300
Rosso Corsa (Red) 300
Rosso Dino - R-350
Rosso Fiorano (Met Red) 321
Rosso Rubino R9 (1967)
Rosso Scuderia (Red) 323
Rubino Micalizzato 203.154
Tour de France (Met Blue) 522
Verde Opale - 290.309
Verde Zeltweg (Met Green) 610

[Marco956]

And the names of brands and sponsors will not be on paints?

[Hiroboy]

New Labels may need to be worded like this ??

[drunken monkey]

how about saying it is "Paint To Match Gaillo Modena - 4305"

[Marco956]

Originally Posted by Hiroboy

New Labels may need to be worded like this ??

Perfect

[Cheesey153]

Given the ludicrous claim that customers are confused about the brand labelling, and that we're stupid enough to believe they are the 'official' paints, maybe it would be wise NOT to say 'As used on Ferrari cars'? Some lawyer or other might see that as an opportunuity to write another letter to you informing you that Zero Paints actually aren't used on Ferrari cars.....
An alternative might be 'Same colour as used on Ferrari cars'.

Anyway, this can wait - you've got an order of mine that needs to be packed & dispatched!

[Cheesey153]

Sorry to take this marginally off-topic, but seeing as we're talking about Zero Paints and we have your ear Steve, would it be possible to supply all your paint in a choice of both 30ml & 60ml jars?
I know you're being conservative when you say 60ml should be enough for two 1/24 car bodies but my experience is that a 60ml jar will cover WAY more than that, and quite frankly is often WAY too much for my needs.
If all paints were also available in 30ml jars I'd be able to buy a greater selection of those lovely lovely colours.....

Jon.

[ericmaxman]

Originally Posted by gtziaf

Unbelievable!!!
These idiots are don 't understand that when we built and presented a model, (in a website or to an expo) with their liveries, we made advertisement to their companies...
In this way, I think companies must leave trademarks free, to the models and hobbies.
Steve good patience with this complicated situation.

This could be a reason why many manufacturers are less inclined to release new models from these particular models, ie Ford. How many model manufacturers actually have a proper Ford model these days? I know Renaissance has the Focus WRC in resin, but as for licensing issues, that is a whole different story. Imagine this, they used to bug us modelers duplicating parts, and now, PAINT? I do feel that boycotting them might be the only solution. They are getting a little too over their heads with this bl**dy licensing already. If it wasn't for these licensing issues, I bet that most manufacturers will be more than willing to release more new cars a year. But then again, factors like the numbers of modelers etc are also important. We modelers are not many, really.

Enough with that, I do hope Steve manages to pull through this smoothly. Good luck mate !

[stevenoble]

Will you still be able to mix the non manufacturer colours such as the specific ones for F1 cars..??? (J*rd*n 191 greens, M*L*ren MP Red etc) It would be a shame to see those disappear from the store.

[gionc]

Lambrogina....

I confess, I must take a moment and thought about

Can I register this name Steve? Sounds cool, may be good brand to sell cool umbrella or sexy lingerie