tiburon vs subaru wrx turbo?

[aznxthuggie]

not to be an ass or anything, but the tiburon shouldn't be compared to a wrx, i mean if you buy them both, stock the wrx will destroy the tiburon, and whoever said the turbo kit would be $5800, with another $5800 the subby can do the same, now does hyundai even make cars with turbos? i know that subaru has been doing that for a long time, and their H4 engines are strong and reliable, also someone said the hyundai is more reliable than the subaru, can show me a link in which a hyundai outlasted a subaru? and the tiburon (in terms of performance) is almost exactly the same as a toyota celica, and thats the v6 hyundai against the I4 toyota, its just the experience of the car manufacturers, i mean all the tiburon owners seem to be throwing everything at the wrx just to try n beat it, try running against STI's supras, rx7's, 300's 350'z, and all of those cars stock can already beat the tiburon in every way possible (except the GREAT warranty and gas mileage?) whatever money u put into the tiburon throw the same at the car that your competing with, and you'll see that it can and will be beat every time u upgrade

[nisco]

Originally Posted by aznxthuggie

not to be an ass or anything, but the tiburon shouldn't be compared to a wrx, i mean if you buy them both, stock the wrx will destroy the tiburon, and whoever said the turbo kit would be $5800, with another $5800 the subby can do the same, now does hyundai even make cars with turbos? i know that subaru has been doing that for a long time, and their H4 engines are strong and reliable, also someone said the hyundai is more reliable than the subaru, can show me a link in which a hyundai outlasted a subaru? and the tiburon (in terms of performance) is almost exactly the same as a toyota celica, and thats the v6 hyundai against the I4 toyota, its just the experience of the car manufacturers, i mean all the tiburon owners seem to be throwing everything at the wrx just to try n beat it, try running against STI's supras, rx7's, 300's 350'z, and all of those cars stock can already beat the tiburon in every way possible (except the GREAT warranty and gas mileage?) whatever money u put into the tiburon throw the same at the car that your competing with, and you'll see that it can and will be beat every time u upgrade

...you didnt really read what this was about?.... we arent comparing the cars stock for stock... its obvious who would win...
we are comparing the cars for cost wise...
you spend 25k on a wrx... possibly more.. i can easily match and possibly pass a wrx by takin the money i saved up from buying a tib and puttin it into the tib....

whatever money u put into the tiburon throw the same at the car that your competing with

uhhh do you see what we are doing... we are comparing the other "cars" to teh tib... BY MONEY/ COST wise...
NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND....
its not match for match... its match cost....
you wanna keep throwing in money to a wrx... ill jus drop money into a tib...
easy and done..... simple

and the tiburon (in terms of performance) is almost exactly the same as a toyota celica, and thats the v6 hyundai against the I4 toyota

.....holy crap i cant believe you said anything like this... you obviously know nothing about either car....

i mean all the tiburon owners seem to be throwing everything at the wrx just to try n beat it, try running against STI's supras, rx7's, 300's 350'z, and all of those cars stock can already beat the tiburon in every way possible

uhh once again... compare teh price of all those stock... and compare the rice of teh gk...
when did everyone say the tib is built like a sports car... like al teh ones youve mentioned....
yourwhole post is pointless and brings nothing to the table... im sorry this post sounds mean.. but you mustnt have understood teh convo gon on... or you wouldnt have made this...

[aznxthuggie]

i seem to have misinterpreted this thread =X sorry bout that, but still instead of comparing the wrx to the tiburon, you should compare it to something more similar, like something that is FF, making around the same HP, because this stuff turns into wars, watch, go to the car comparisons forum, inside "cars in general" find the evo 8 vs ls1 camaro or something, its LONG, and ive been reading up with that for awhile, the main things that keep it dragging along, are the 1/4 mile times, and the fact that the two cars are made for completely different reasons, just like in this thread, if you guys want to find a solution, i think u should compare cars that are more closely related in terms of price and performance, and if you want a turbo really car, then compare two turbo rally cars, the tiburon is made to be an entry level sports coupe, while the wrx is a low end rally sedan, anyways in terms of price + the warranty, the tiburon is a good way to go, but being that i dont know much about korean cars, or their reliability, i would shy away and go for a celica gts (same performance) or a RSX type S (better performance), also the nissan SE-R cost $17,990 and has lots of usable low end torque, and the new scion tC (the 3rd scion) will cost $16,450 (the price that you can get it for straight out of the dealer) and it has a 2.4 liter inline 4 engine that has 160hp and lots of low end torque all for around the same price (or lower) than the tiburon, thats just my .02 hopefully nothing offensive

[nisco]

why does everyone think the rsx is so much better than the tib... once again ... its a drivers race... its been proven time and time again... youre overpaying for a no balls honda...
no disrespect to hondas... btu the rsx isnt anythiing to be afriad of
its a drivers race... the tib has a disadvantage because of teh fact it weighs about 250-300Lbs more than the rsx... thats it...
celica even the gts cannot compare ot teh tib...
and the sentra is a shit car....
and if you wanna go once again for price vs price... the tib would beat the rsx...
because youre spending more for an rsx... than a stock tib... take teh money you saved from gettin a tib and put that to performance mods...
thats what we are talking about.. this thread should not be turned into a flaming war or whats better
i knwo of accents that have beat skyline gtrs''''' yes im serious... you put enough time and MONEY into a car ... it can beat anything....
and dont worry i dont take anything youve said offensive... this is a discussion and i appreciate your imput... it makes for better threads!

[WingRoad]

Nisco, I would have to disagree with many of your points. The Tiburon weighs 300lbs. heavier than the RSX because of poor chasis engineering to generate enough shifting positions between the i4 and V6 engines. When I refer to "poor" chasis, I am pointing out the rediculous amounts of copper and iron that Hyundai used to support the Santa-Fe motor inside the engine bay, the reason why the I4 Tiburon is rediculously slow is because of these chasis dilemma, although this was necessary to keep the Tiburon at a competitive price. I am a notorious Honda hater, but I do respect the quality that was put into the RSX. H-20C is a high reving Honda engine that is insanely fun to drive, yet probably lacks the punch to beat the Tiburon in a quarter-mile race. Yet a FF platform sports sedan/coupe is not meant to be dragged across a straightaway, as can be seen with Civic EK-9's, etc. I was especially ticked off for your bashing of the Sentra :P. The SE-R Spec V is the hands down winner amongst the pocket-friendly I4 sports-turned vehicle sections. It clearly stood out in the slalom, skid-pad, low-mid range torque and understeer to weight comparissons.
But you mentioned this thread was to promote "after-market" tune-ups of certain cars. Currently, the after-market inventories behind the 2003+ Tiburon's isn't that flexible yet. Will more mods be coming out in the future? This depends on marketing, commercialism, and corporate views on how Hyundai is trying to portray the Tiburon as. Currently, the Tiburon has no concrete direction on where it wants to go. To be honest, I think the Tiburon is still a boring car. Too much "me-too" auroa's coming from this automobile. The next thing we know, convertibles.... yikes. The I4 engine is way too Elantra-ish, and the torquey V6... needs more refinement if it wants to compete with other V6 sports coupes. The Celica is an absolute disaster so I refuse to discuss it. Scion is just another marketeering strategy Toyota has on youths. The next thing you know, the Matrix will be tossed out, and following it will be Scion's.
My stand on the RSX vs Tiburon is "absolutely don't care". You guys can go battle it out on the streets and decide whichever is the better. Personally I don't find ANYTHING sparkling behind those two vehicles, and to compare it would be furtherly more boring. If you really want to go across Car-manufacture head-ons, try debating over the 1999 WRC Accent VS a 1999 Impreza STi. Oh wait, neither companies engineered those cars :P.

[nisco]

the rsx= the hyundai tiburon in everyway except weight... trust me
ITS A DRIVERS RACE...
the tib (i-4) is slow cause the cassis is heavy... and alot people know this... you are correct
im not bashing any car at all... all im sayin is that the rsx is an equal car celica and sentra are no where near close to being equal.... equal to the tib... the sentra and the celica are both extremely underpowered cars....

i do not know how the sante fe set up was brought in....
yes it is the "same" engine.... but the set up is different and the 250 WHP rumor is extremely false.... and no where near true....
thats why the sante fe is not compareable to the tib
the tiburon...... both i-4 and v6 have recieved many upgrades from many reputable companies... and some knowagable people....

the tib is very heavy... and if you wanted to "street race" or drag... its gonna be difficult...
in a slalomn... or soloII the tib will concoure... cause stock... YES STOCK it will over take almost all cars..... AND YES IM NOT bullshitting you want to have an advantage.... OR! you want a weight reduction.... but so does every other car in the world... they all want a weight reductiion...
the mods the hyundai tiburn has right now .... overcomes and overshadows many mods/ cars its upagainst

you compare the tib engine to the accent... hmmm its the sam company.. theyre trying to build a backing...
the tib has a huge following and hyundai knows where its going... so if you wanna throw numbers at me....... or if you wanna make up numbers........ please feel free to post em... the tib numbers are only gong up...
the other sport coupes that youre comparing it to are probably "sport" coupes the tib is a sport compact ....... it is not built as a race car

...i appologize if my response isnt totally readble.... ive been drinking all night...
and appreciate your response wing road... i do really... and i see your arguement... but youre underestimating the tib and have no idea of its potential

[WingRoad]

I know......that....your......writing....was......ki nd of......in...increments...like...these .
Sorry if my numbers aren't EXACT, because, hey, who wants to research on a car that you wouldn't want to drive? :P.
"the other sport coupes that youre comparing it to are probably "sport" coupes the tib is a sport compact ....... it is not built as a race car".
What exactly is a race car? According to the authors of this forum, the Tiburon seems to be the WRX-beating, Mod-enriched, cheap-but-beats-all kind of "sports coupe". If this isn't meant to be a "race-car", god I don't know what to call it. The only reason why I'm not surprised if Hyundai has no direction for the Tiburon, take a look at the Mercury Cougar for example. It's not a car that stores company image, it's not a car for performance, it's not a car you'd see in JGTC. Then what is it? It's another consumer-friendly, consumer-attracting, consumer-vehicle that is just there to look nice and be "another" alternative in the sports coupe industry. The generation gap between the original Tiburon in the current Tiburon is just way too much of a leap. Customer after-care, according to 1st generation Tiburon owners, aren't going so pleasant, and there were no future modifications for that year. Toyota Celica, also suffers from after-debut changes, again, another consumer-scrapping sports coupe only to be placed to eat nibbles of other sports coupe sales.
The numbers for the Tiburon: simply nowhere to find. Why? No one cares, everybody knows, and the car isn't meant to boast any numerical reputations in the first place. I do know there is a 10, and a 100,000 in Hyundai's favorite number tests, all followed by the noun "warranty".
Driver's race? You mean to have good clutch meeting in a 0-60? You and I both know that it is extremely sad to do a straightaway stock vs stock vehicle comparisson, especially between entry level sports coupes. These are the typical mpegs that you can find on MIRC with labels "ILLEGAL STREET DRIFITNG CIVICS Si SMOKING DODGE VIPER", and all you see is a Dodge Caravan smoking a Toyota Avalon with 3 dudes in it.
Am I underestimating the Tiburon? Yes
Do I have an estimate of its potential? Pretty much, I mean it doesnt come as a second option to harness an all-aluminum i-4 2.0L turbo engine right?
Is there anything that can prove its potential? Good luck.
By the way, those Tuscani badges look nice, but you might want to try moving the front wheelbase back an extra 2-inches to avoid front-motion abrasions between the tire head and the fender guards

[tibby01]

id like to read what is being said and jump in on the conversation, but you guys write to damn much.

[nisco]

i agree 100% with you... its a mid entry sport compact...
i never said it wasnt... youre the first person to ever say that... and im impressed...
every car has potential... with enough money

[91 shelby]

I am nu 2vc ths syt,n I need 2 no more on a 91 shelbyw/2.5

[nisco]

whyd this get moved>?

[LjasonL]

Okay 1st let me say, that up till about 2 weeks ago, if you looked in my driveway you'd see 2 cars. The Subaru in my signature, and an 03 Tiburon. I've spent a lot of time and done a lot of "aggressive" driving in both. I'm usually one to defend the Tiburon on these forums, because it is a really nice well put together and good looking car for it's price. But if you're concerned about performance, it can't even hold a candle to the WRX. No, not even by "spending the money you saved", which BTW, is a stupid comparison, because FINANCING and extra couple grand for the WRX and spending a couple grand CASH on mods for the Tiburon are 2 completely different things, so you CAN'T say that because the (4 cylinder) Tiburon is $4000 cheaper, you'll have $4,000 more to spend on mods. The real world just doesn't work like that.

Here's my comparison of the 2:

If you just want a daily driver and don't care about going fast at all, I encourage you to get the Tiburon. It looks nice, gets better gas mileage, has a pretty stable feel, plenty of get up and go for putting around time, less maintenance, etc. But looking at it from a performance standpoint, the WRX blows it out of the water. I'm sure you all know the WRX is faster in the numbers, so here's what you don't get from the numbers and stats, but from actually driving them both. The seating position in the WRX is much better, allowing you to see the road better and therefore drive better. The Tiburons position, on the other hand, is low, with a long hood that hampers judging distance from the front of the car, and high doorsills that block side visibility. These things hurt the cars manuverability. For the WRX, the car itself feels much more connected to the road and willing to do what you want it to do. The Tiburon, while solid and sturdy, is just uninspiring in the corners, and at times just plain scary. Uninspiring because, after driving something like a WRX, going through a corner leaves you thinking "gee, that wasn't very much fun." My next thought was almost ALWAYS "Wish I was driing the Subie instead". I've even muttered that out loud a few times to the passengers. Scary because you just don't "feel" the road.

Now my responses to individual comments:

Originally Posted by nisco

the wrx... looks liek shit... both exterior and interior

Only your opinion, not fact. The Tiburon has an even cheaper feeling interior than the Subaru. Parts randomly fall off of the Tiburon when going over bumps. The silver trim on the bottom of the steering wheel fell off the SECOND DAY we got it home when my hand brushed it making a leisurely turn. I mean seriously, what the hell is that? My Impreza is all cheap plastic too, but at least the crap stays stuck where it's supposed to be.

Originally Posted by nisco

look at the price... 30k+ and a -18k....

Actually, you can get a brand new 04 WRX off the lot for around 22, the dealership wanted over 23 for the V6 Tib we were checking out.

Originally Posted by nisco

a tiburon = an rsx

Dude, don't kid yourself. The RSX has one of the most advanced drivetrains in the world, and a world renowned chassis and suspension. That is a really well setup car based on lots of experience both on and off track.

Originally Posted by nisco

in performace... the tib weighs a bit more... so its a drivers race...

No it's not. The RSX Type S has been known to go low 15's to high 14's stock. The V6 Tiburon is more of a high 15's car. The Type S has been known to break 13's with basic bolt ons. You said yourself there have only been 2 new Tiburons to even break 13's, and they were both forced induction. I'm talking Intake, Header, Exhaust, ECU, Sticky tires and the right driver and you have a 13 second RSX. That's how much potential is in that car. The stock Type S heads flow better than most race ported LS1's.

Originally Posted by nisco

the turbo kit im lookin into will be 5800
thats 380 whp on stock internals...

It will blow up eventually.

Originally Posted by nisco

i can go to nextgenmotorsports.com and give tim 8 grand and put myself into the 11s....

Is this the twin turbo kit you were talking about? NO twin turbo kit alone is gonna put a new Tiburon into the 11's. The only way the car will get there on stock internals is with massive weight reduction.

Originally Posted by nisco

theyre shootin for supras... 300zx... rx7s

All the cars you named make more power bone stock than 95% of TUNED Tiburons. The Tiburon isn't even on the same ballfield as those cars. You're barely even playing the same sport.

Originally Posted by fullup1

I've seen warranty pictures of a guy's motor after he attempted to turn up the boost really high AND spray nitrous....not pretty.

What's your point? You run a lot of boost and nitrous through the stock motor of ANY car, and the result will be "not pretty"

Originally Posted by 91 shelby

I am nu 2vc ths syt,n I need 2 no more on a 91 shelbyw/2.5

QUE???

[TibsBeatALL]

how and where did u get a wrx for only 22 grand?
did it have like nothing on it?

[flylwsi]

what is nothing on it, exactly?
the starting price is about 22k, dealer markup goes higher.
avg price is about 24k, which is what is recognized.

ldelaysionl has said everything i wanted to say, with the exception of this:

saying you could buy an 18k car and make it beat a 24k car by spending the extra 6k is a RICER excuse.

if you spent equal money on both cars, 6k on BOTH, you'd be right where you started.

trying to catch the wrx.

this goes back to the CLASSIC comparo:
civic hatch vs. zo6.
people said they'd take the hatch, b/c they'd spend the extra money to beat the zo6.

how seriously lame can that be?

5800 bucks into a wrx, and you're watching it walk away, after your 380hp (stock internal v6) tiburon pukes its guts out.

[LjasonL]

Originally Posted by TibsBeatALL

how and where did u get a wrx for only 22 grand?
did it have like nothing on it?

I didn't. My car is a TS and I got it in '01 when there were very few new body Imprezas on the road. We were discussing pricing in the Impreza forum the other day and someone said:

Zach just got his WRX for just under $22,000USD. They gave him a deal on a short throw shifter install and an STI spoiler too.

So it just goes to show there are deals out there if you search. If you found the right dealer, I'm sure you could get a V6 Tiburon for under $20,000, but I couldn't find the right dealer for that.