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Old 10-06-2006, 06:58 PM   #31
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because the wind resistance at 120 mph is a whole lot more than that at 60 mph. in fact it is squared.
if the govt were trying to be eco-friendly and go as far as to get rid of internal combustion engines, why let people drive around at 150 and waste all that energy?
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Old 10-06-2006, 07:07 PM   #32
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you seemed to have missed the previous discussion about the higher power gained from E85 in current development tests.
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Old 10-06-2006, 07:09 PM   #33
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why waste energy when you dont have to?
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Old 10-06-2006, 07:13 PM   #34
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because people need to travel?
if the government has a 100% reliable system that goes as fast if not faster than people used to do in personal cars, they will still have, if not more so, an even bigger rreason/right to tax travelling.

a 100% safe and fast/efficient system would net any govt. a hell of a lot of money.
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Old 10-06-2006, 10:39 PM   #35
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because people need to travel?
if the government has a 100% reliable system that goes as fast if not faster than people used to do in personal cars, they will still have, if not more so, an even bigger rreason/right to tax travelling.

a 100% safe and fast/efficient system would net any govt. a hell of a lot of money.
You sure are an optimistic one, monkey. Grey had a point when he mentioned wind resistance...imagine high speed traffic intersections, and on a windy day...doesn't that bother you?

Also, the only cars that are capable of driving themselves (mass produced) are the mercedes S-class.

Directly about the thread, I understand why carbs evolved into EFI (which is still in development/improvement) and they were a major improvement, but hybrids are a lot more complicated. An engine can have an interchangeable carb or FI system, but you talk about converting an engine to a hybrid and you need a whole new engine!! It's incorporation is fundamentally flawed! It's like the arab oil embargo all over again!!
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Old 10-06-2006, 10:43 PM   #36
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there is nothing inherently different about a hybrid engine. Just a question of how big the alternator is. I use the word "alternator" loosely, of course.

If you take a look at some of the "fake" hybrids, as I call them, such as the ford Escape, they did as little as they could to justify the marketing name plate. Its a rather pathetic attempt IMO
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Old 10-07-2006, 02:57 AM   #37
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Ybut you talk about converting an engine to a hybrid and you need a whole new engine!! It's incorporation is fundamentally flawed! It's like the arab oil embargo all over again!!
Not at all.

A group of auto makers (can't remember which ones) have developed a transmission which incorporates all the hybrid drives (motor and generator).

Drop that into a car, drop in a battery pack, plug it into the relevant sensors (acc, brake pedal) and bingo.
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Old 10-07-2006, 08:15 AM   #38
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You sure are an optimistic one
it isn't about optimism.
he put forward an overly pessimistic version where everything goes at 65mph ignoring all other possible outcomes.
whether likely or not, they are still just as likely.
in case you missed it, that 150mph i gave as an example is called a hyperbole; an extreme example to point out just that, the furthest extreme.
and even if it was "just" 65mph. if it was fully automated, then there wouldn't be any discrepancies between drivers as you get now. No differences in response times or actions; no driver variables or errors, the thing that makes accidents happen and causes traffic to slow down. If every thing moves in the same way at 65 mph on the long journies i do, i'm willing to be that it would still be quicker than what i do now.

the other problem here is that you are still focussing only on personal cars are forms of transport.
if it gets to the stage that there is a 100% safe and quick public transport system that serves all your commuting needs, then cars can be purely for fun.

and it isn't all about hybrids.
again, did you miss curtis's post regarding E85 and E100 as viable alternative (renewable) fuels?
from "ground" to exhaust, it is roughly 60%-70% lower in emmissions and actually produces more power than the current petrol options at the loss of a few mpg. Why are so many people hung up on mpg as being the ONLY thing in sustainabilty and environmental issues when it comes to cars?
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Old 10-07-2006, 01:14 PM   #39
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I blame our government for not informing us, while they raised gas prices to an extreme (well they're down now) but for a while there were people seriously panicking and thinking about when we would run out of gasoline. It's a total trend and if you ask me, hybrid designers capitalized on this situation and now there's people toting they make 50+ mpg and every other car sucks.
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beyond the conspiracy theories, the government doesn't have much control on the price of gas. That is a free market issue.

Demand is outstripping supply, along with all the middle east problems, you're going to have high crude oil prices.

Get used to it. I'm betting that we'll be seeing gas over $5/gallon within 2 years.

I just bought a bike that gets 65mpg...and I'm going to turbo it
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beyond the conspiracy theories, the government doesn't have much control on the price of gas.
*cough* Foreign Policy *cough*.
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Why are so many people hung up on mpg as being the ONLY thing in sustainabilty and environmental issues when it comes to cars?
Because MPG is the only way most people can visualise efficiency and energy use.

The reality is, we are burning energy at an unsustainable rate (a car at cruise putting out 20kW is burning 80-100kw worth of fuel).

I don't see the price of energy going down in the future. Fossil fuels are the traditional cheap source, the long term price trend for them is steeply upwards.
Alternative energy sources (solar etc) all rely on fossil fuels for manufacture, site construction and support and will all be impacted.
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Old 10-07-2006, 05:55 PM   #43
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*cough* Foreign Policy *cough*.
rubbing elbows with the oil-rich countries won't change the supply/demand issue. Again....free market.
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I say death to the polar bears, tap alaska like a cheep whore.
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the alaskan drilling "debate" is such a waste. Its a tiny reserve that would barely make a dent in the US yearly consumption, it might lower gas prices 5 cents per gallon. All it would do is make some billionairs richer and reduce the countries avaible reserves.

Would seem intelligent to keep the ace up the sleeve, and thats without even considering the wild habitat side of the issues.
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