Prius--my view

[mauleskyrocket]

Have you read your window sticker lately? Does it say 48?

[statultra]

hello?

anybody home?

Your TDI = Smaller
Prius = Bigger
Bigger car
48 mpg
also in the summer its very possible to get 60's so dont say shit if you dont know what u talking about.

Look i rode from NY to Canada at 70 to 80 mph and i got 67.5 mpg

i rode from NY to FL 3 times from 80 to 90 mph and i got 54 mpg,

your TDI cant do that, much less you dont even have a TDi or had a hybrid anyway.

[mauleskyrocket]

Listen blue eyes my TDI can't do it, my SAAB can't do it and your Prius can't do it. Difference is my sticker never said I could.

[statultra]

blue eyes?

im black

and if u still think politics play into it, its not that

i voted for bush

you HAVE no justification in what you say, YOU DONT HAVE A PRIUS

if you had one show us pictures, ( and dont copy from other sites )

i bought a prius, because of cutting edge technology,
your TDI doesnt have that
your saab will never have that in 10 years.

[CaptainApollo]

If your friend's prius broke down and it was part of the hybrid drivetrain, it should be covered under warranty, no?

We don't drive the same way the EPA tests and that's true for ALL cars. Real world data shows that most cars get 80% of what the EPA states. if 80% of 55 is 44, Prius seems to be doing just as any other car would. (and even more since the real world data is 49mpg)

Here we can look up 2 other cars I have owned

Audi 100: 17.4mpg average (EPA estimates 22.5)
=77.33% of EPA's value

Chrysler 300M: 17.1mpg average (EPA estimates 21)
=81.43% of EPA's value

Prius: 49mpg (EPA estimates 55)
=89.09% of EPA's value

http://www.priuschat.com/forums/port...?topic_id=5898

EPA's values are wrong for the Prius. It's true for all cars.

[mauleskyrocket]

You are all making the case. Prius promotion is bunk. You too blue eyes.

[statultra]

we are all making a case because you have no case.

[CaptainApollo]

The case is that all promotion is bunk. And the main promotion for the Prius is emissions and pollution, not mpg.

[mauleskyrocket]

ok, Now we all agree. The EPA figures on the Prius are nonsense. It gets very good mileage when you drive it a certain way. Please go back to page one and post one.

[CaptainApollo]

It still looks like you are only singling out the Prius and its EPA values and also you say that you WILL only get 38 mpg by driving normally. This is where we disagree. I don't believe that all Prius will get 38 mpg if you drive normally and also the EPA figures on all cars are nonsense, not just the Prius. Here I'll say it again since I've said it 2 times already. EPA figures on ALL cars are nonsense.

[mauleskyrocket]

Absolutely untrue. A TDI stickered at 49 highway will, in actuality, driven normaly, deliver up to 51. Prius on the other hand, driven at 75, with air on and 2 aboard, will give 38-42, especialy if you throw in a hill or two. This is NOT a bad car but shamelessly labeled thereby duping a certain % of buyers to purchase one. Sales have now dipped given there is no sense buying one to drive around with a Kerry sticker.

[Volken]

Originally Posted by john1701a

I have participated on countless forums to discuss hybrids over the past four years. Today, I joined another... this one.
JOHN http://john1701a.com

Hi guys long time no hear

I see mauleskyrocket is in his element unchanged

Glad to see you onboard John.

From several people who emailed you with little inquiries (4rom Europe) myself included, you never replied to any. If you would (like myself) appropriate this time elsewhere I would understand why 2 minute reply is so time consuming and demanding for you.

Yet you spend hours and hours within all sort of forums on weekly basis

Sad to see that you have become an elitist of some sort , and Prius simply attracts your wis as extension of something to display and talk about, while you really are not interested in more substance.

But I guess considering all the effort you dedicated to your exquisite site and available DATA, I still appreciate at least that.

Best regards,

PS: In case others who know me here at AF are asking : Why on earth you wrote this?

Well, John never replies to any emails, so this was the only chance for him to read this one. That is, out of his circle of interest.

[mauleskyrocket]

Merry Christmas Volken and everyone.

[john1701a]

Sorry, it's hard to keep up with all the requests... but at least I try.

Being impaired by both E10 gas and high-traction tires, the lifetime MPG average for my 2004 Prius is 49.2 MPG. So it's pretty safe saying that an "average joe" doing absolutely nothing different from their regular driving style could maintain an average in the mid-40's.

No diesel can deliver that, period. The term "average joe" means a mix of driving conditions. The daily commute is rarely a non-stop, high-speed cruise. And as soon as you slow down, MPG plummets in a diesel. The exact opposite happens in a full-hybrid. And the full-hybrid is dramatically cleaner (smog emissions) too.

Cold temperatures hurts efficiency as well. This mornings commute to work was at -6F. Despite that the Multi-Display still shows a pleasing 42.9 MPG. A diesel simply cannot compete with that.

The EPA is nonsense for all vehicles. The tests require a minimum temperature of 68F using summer-formula fuel. Today was drastically colder for me and I was stuck using winter-formula fuel mixing with ethanol. (So I was really screwed. Yet, MPG was still impressive.) The EPA's average cruising speed of just 48 MPH is a joke too. Obviously, people drive quite a bit faster... which hurts efficiency. The accleration-rate the EPA uses is quite misleading too. In the real-world, people merge onto highways and launch from red lights much faster... which hurts efficiency.

Anywho, actual data of traditional cars shows that full-hybrids (like Prius) are a geniune solution for both improving emissions & efficiency.

JOHN
http://john1701a.com

[mauleskyrocket]

John, You are an academic dreamer. You are accurate on the Prius mileage---on the rest---bunk. Merry Christmas