Lingenfelter Corvette vs. Hennessey Viper - Page 6

FYRHWK1 · 05-24-2003, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by Polygon

Those Vipers were not factory backed like the Vettes were. Chrysler stopped that after 1999. You loose a lot when you loose factory backing, namely a lot of money. The S7 was never much of a problem for the Vettes or the Vipers because they were so unreliable they could hardly ever finish races.

I am not saying the Vette is bad, I am just saying that the Viper is better.

But the laptimes show that the C5-R has run faster, also, there's no way the C5-R or GTS-R will ever run with current prototype cars, the field has moved up so much due to the R8's advancement that they're running faster laps then they ever have.

comeon · 06-06-2003, 03:47 AM

Just wanted to point out a few things....

First of all, both of these cars kick major ass! I would love to have either just for the status and recognition, and then I'd go for night rides and probably get lots of tickets and get arrested, but the thrill and adrenaline would be worth it!

Second, keep in mind that the stats that the cars have and the race tests cannot be weighed equally. When you are testing/dynoing a car, you are using a precise machine which is not capable of error (unless its broken). When you are racing/comparing performance you have the inevitable human error. When actually driving a car, the driver is more important than the car itself, of course I mean when the cars are similar in performance and specs. A great example:

A few years ago my friend let me drive his 355 spyder with the f1 racing shift thingy...dont remember the exact name....anyway apparently it is a computerized feature that increases your steering sensitivity when you accelerate over a certain amount of mph/sec. I was aware of that, but had no idea how it felt to drive......long story short, I thought I was cool accelerating onto the freeway, until the car did a full 360 and I almost shit my pants and ruined his brand new ferrari!!! He took over and drove it perfectly and we hit over 145 mph in what seemed like a heartbeat. Kinda a simplified example, but the point is...I would lose a race in his ferrari against any car, cuz I can't drive it. He could likely beat most cars since he is a racecar driver. You get the idea. Likelihood to spinout is not dependent on the car as much as the driver. Handling is more objective, but some aspects of it are how it feels to the driver and if you are used to a certain car, a "great" handling car that is different may feel as if it will roll or spin out to you personally since you are used to a different feel.

Bottom line, both cars are incredible, if unreliable (not meant for 20,000 miles per year anyway). Both cars have awesome specs. Some tests have shown the viper to be dominant, some have shown the vette to be dominant. Who the hell knows....the question was just which we liked better anyway.

Neutrino · 06-06-2003, 01:50 PM

bullshit.........that F1 shifting thingy is a sequential transmision....has nothing to do with steering and second when a car goes faster (if it has spedd adaptive steering) the car will help you less to steer not more otherwise you'll kill yourself.....

comeon · 06-06-2003, 09:43 PM

Well, as I mentioned, I don't know what it's called, but whatever it was, I spun out. It's not like I'm bragging, I sucked at driving it. It was just an example. So.....chill.

ghostchild316 · 06-07-2003, 01:29 AM

I sat here and read every single post since the first one.

Whatever...

I like the Corvette.Vipers are still cool though...

I think vettes look similiar to my 240

flylwsi · 06-09-2003, 09:24 AM

in regards to the 355 ferrari bs story.

alot of cars have computer controlled power steering that gets more sensitive at speed. so it's true. but it's got nothing to do with the tranny.

i'm sure glad this thread got way the F off topic...

cartz69 · 08-06-2003, 08:32 PM

they did not use an engine from another type of car it was a Corvette C5R engine with twin garrett turbos. it doesnt matterif they bored it out because the viper still has a 1 litre and 2 cylinder advantage, so why would doge up the displacement to 9.3 litres? and the viper and the corvette both used the same mickey thompson slicks, so how does the corvette have an unfair advantage in any way? don t get me wrong i love the venom but the corvette is still king

Tim_2133 · 08-23-2003, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by v10_viper

The Viper did it's tests on Street Legal Slicks and I'm pretty sure the Vette's weren't Street Legal and and the Vipers engine, they never changed anything to it except for the mods, the Lingenfelter is a 7.0 liter V-8 TT, where did they get that 7.0 Litre at??? it didn't come stock in the corvettes engine, they never bumped the litres up on the Viper's Engine, so it must not be a Corvette engine under there. If they would have left the 5.7 under there i bet the Vette wouldn't be as good as it is. or leave the vette with it's, well i guess it wasn't the vette's engine but how bout ya bump the viper up 1.3 litres so ya have a 9.3 litre engine and then put the twin turbos on it and see who goes quicker.

Ok, first of all the Lingenfelter does have the original engine in it. It is the Gen III LS block. The same block is used for LS1s and LS6s in Z28s, Trans Ams, and Corvettes. They bore and stroke the block to 427 cu. in. I like both cars, but your comments are pretty foolish. A stock Z06 corvette has the stock 5.7 liter engine, 415 hp (enough power to pull less than a 4.5 second 0-60), and the right tires/suspension setup to pull a solid 1.00 lateral g's on the skid pad. The stock viper has a 8.0 liter engine that produces 500 hp on the new ones I believe, and a very good tire suspension setup that pulls a slightly faster 0-60 time, and a slightly worse skid pad reading. The thing is, the viper engine is only making 62.5 hp per liter and the vette is making almost 73 hp/liter. The viper also costs 25-30K more than the vette. But aside from all that, these are aftermarket cars, who cares what it takes to get them there. They cost almost the same amount maybe because the initial 30K difference is spent on boring/stroking the stock 5.7 liter engine. Regardless, the cars perform very similar, but most of the tests I have seen favor the vette. Don't say something like "where did they get that 7.0 L engine, it's not stock" While it isn't the stock block setup, it is still the same block, not an exotic racing block or anything. Did you know they even using the same block in the C5R le mans race car??

Tim_2133 · 08-23-2003, 11:30 AM

I know I just posted, but I went back through and read every post. Here is what people are arguing. First of all people are comparing the C5R and the GTS-R. You think those carshave hardly anything to do with stock vipers, vettes? They have the same basic chassis and same basic engine blocks, but I mean, they are race prepped. Your stock viper/vette cannot be made into a god becuase it's racing cousin beat the other guys. You say things like, well the motors will never last over 10,000 miles becuase in racing they rebuild almost every race. So? The setup is totally different! The bolcks may be the same, but other than that, there is a lot of difference. Also the race cars are designed to run redline for a very long period of time. I don't think anyone buying a ligenfelter or a hennessey would or could put the same abuse on it that these race teams put on there cars.
Secondly, I've heard arguing like oh well since the viper has traction issues it just can't put it's potential power to the ground but it's still a better car. WTF? If it has traction issues, maybe the factory should have worked that out, having problems makes the car suck. If I took a 7,000 hp top fuel motor and put it in a viper it would run awful on the street never be able to get traction, break all the driveline components and probably not even get moving, but hell it's still a better car right? Haha, wether or not a car is better than another means all things must be considered, traction included. Another guy said, well Chrysler doesn't back the viper anymore like Chevy backs the vette. So? If they don't back them, that sucks for vipers. If the viper can't overcome that then the viper sucks. When you compare two cars you just look at their performance in all aspects, their reliability, and maybe their pricing. You don't give them handicaps like, the factory doesn't support their racing team anymore, or they won le mans three years ago so they are still better, or they just can't hook up the car but it could be faster.
Just look at the numbers they lay down, faster numbers in my experience means that car is faster. I give mad respect to vipers and vettes, but I can't afford either of them right now. I am not biased at all. But I know the ligenfelter vette has put down some of the best 1/4 mile times for the price of any street car, even though it was on MT ET streets or slicks. The Hennessey viper is right there with it, but the vette is beating it out right now. I wouldn't mind owning either car though. And if it was time for me to buy one, I wouldn't instantly say the vette wins. I'd look into all aspects of the cars. But as far as performance, numbers don't lie. Sure there is human error, but many of the same magazines have tested both these cars, and to my knowledge the vette still comes out on top.

v10_viper · 08-23-2003, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim_2133

A stock Z06 corvette has the stock 5.7 liter engine, 415 hp (enough power to pull less than a 4.5 second 0-60), and the right tires/suspension setup to pull a solid 1.00 lateral g's on the skid pad. The stock viper has a 8.0 liter engine that produces 500 hp on the new ones I believe, and a very good tire suspension setup that pulls a slightly faster 0-60 time, and a slightly worse skid pad reading.

Stock ZO6 engine is 405 horsepower. The 1st and 2nd Generation engines were 8.0 litre/488cid. The new ones are 8.3 litre/505cid which make 500 hp and 525 lb-ft torque, with simple cam adjustment the CC got 520 hp. Slightly worse skidpad reading huh?? Do your homework, in fact, go pick up the June issue of Motor Trend, they had a professional driver, Justin Bell, new Viper pulled 1.05 g and the ZO6 only pulled .99, 0-60 Viper took 3.94, the ZO6 needed 4.29 seconds, then the 1/4 mile the Viper ran a 11.77, ZO6 ran 12.44, I don't think we want to even talk about braking distances, Viper set records there man.

Btw...Way to bring back an old thread...

Tim_2133 · 08-23-2003, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by v10_viper

Stock ZO6 engine is 405 horsepower. The 1st and 2nd Generation engines were 8.0 litre/488cid. The new ones are 8.3 litre/505cid which make 500 hp and 525 lb-ft torque, with simple cam adjustment the CC got 520 hp. Slightly worse skidpad reading huh?? Do your homework, in fact, go pick up the June issue of Motor Trend, they had a professional driver, Justin Bell, new Viper pulled 1.05 g and the ZO6 only pulled .99, 0-60 Viper took 3.94, the ZO6 needed 4.29 seconds, then the 1/4 mile the Viper ran a 11.77, ZO6 ran 12.44, I don't think we want to even talk about braking distances, Viper set records there man.

Btw...Way to bring back an old thread...

You're correct on the Z06 power rating, that was my mistake, I accidently put in the wrong number, but it is 405. But you start talking about comparing the cars again and then go to say, "with a simple cam adjustment" I wouldn't know for sure since I've never actually looked into it, but I'd be willing to bet if I took the ~$25-$30K I would save getting a Z06 and then invest that into head porting and cam, better/wider tires (afterall the viper has 345 pilot sports if I'm not mistaken while the vette has I think 295 maybe 305), and some braking upgrades (rotors,pads,lines) then the Z06 would be totally even to the viper, maybe a little better, maybe not. The point is stock for stock, viper wins hands down. It pulls better times in all categories. But there is the price difference. You shouldn't be comparing cars with around $30,000 price difference. And if you do, you should alot the less expensive car some modification to put it in the same price range. Both cars are very good platforms for any type of racing application. The average joe would generally prefer the Z06 since the average joe could probably pull faster lap times, equal e/ts, and have more fun driving the Z06 than the viper. Not to say a well seasoned driver couldn't dominate all those categories with the viper. Wasn't this thread about the lingenfelter and the hennessey though. Who cares about the Z06 and the Viper, they both fill their niche in the sports car market. Z06 for the average joe who wants a fast, fun car in the $45,000-$50,000 range and the Viper for someone who really wants to stand out and have the extra edge on performance while not minding to spend the extra cash.

Polygon · 08-23-2003, 10:08 PM

Tim don't go calling people foolish when you're guilty of the same thing. You are VERY misinformed.

1. The Lingenfelter may have the same block, but it isn't the same engine. They have bored it out, that is a huge modification. There is little difference between boring out the existing engine and dropping and a 427 V8. Regardless it is a bigger engine.

2. Who cares about HP per liter? I don't, it makes no damn difference. What matters is which is putting more power to the ground and that would be the SRT-10.

3. The Viper costs $30,000 more because it is an exotic. It is hand built. You hardly see them driving around because of limited production. You are paying for exclusivity. You're also paying for a nicer interior. You are also paying for a better performing car in every way. Also this is only the convertible Viper, just wait until the Viper coupe comes out. Also the price debate is such bullshit. I can buy a Honda and put the $40,000 I saved from not buying the Z06 and beat the shit out of it. It is a stupid point.

4. We never stated that the C5R and GTS-R had anything to do with the street versions. It is called we were debating which of the two was better. Don't try to make us look stupid because you missed the point of our posts.

5. The Viper does not have traction issues. It had a higher slalom speed and did better on the skid pad than the Z06. If you are talking about while drag racing then you don't know much about street tires. No car with street tires will get good traction while drag racing unless they don't have enough power to break the traction. Also the Viper was never intended to be a drag racer. It is a track car. I wish some of you would get that through your head.

6. Of course if you put a Top Fuel Hemi in a Viper it would tear up the stock gearbox and not get any traction. Do you think you are smart for pointing out the painfully obvious? No production car gearbox could handle that power at idle and no car would get traction either.

7. I was the one that said Chrysler pulled factory backing of the GTS-R. I don't think you understand how important factory backing is. They supply the majority of the money. I also don't think you understand how important money is to a racing team. They no longer race the GTS-R in LeMans. The GTS-R was restricted by the officials because they were even beating the prototypes. So the two combined killed the GTS-R.

8. To repeat V10 Viper:

Do your homework, in fact, go pick up the June issue of Motor Trend, they had a professional driver, Justin Bell, new Viper pulled 1.05 g and the ZO6 only pulled .99, 0-60 Viper took 3.94, the ZO6 needed 4.29 seconds, then the 1/4 mile the Viper ran a 11.77, ZO6 ran 12.44, I don't think we want to even talk about braking distances, Viper set records there man.

I will tell you that the Viper stopped from 100MPH to 0MPH in less than 100 feet. They have NEVER tested any car that stopped that quickly.

I will say that the Lingenfelter Vette is far better than the Hennessy Viper because Hennessy is a crook and doesn't know the first thing about modifying car.

Tim_2133 · 08-24-2003, 03:32 PM

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