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Old 12-03-2003, 02:37 PM   #1
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Advice to new riders.

If i may give out some advice to new riders.
It doesnt take a rocekt scientist to figure out bikes are totally different than cars. Here is some advice to new riders.

1) Always were protective gear. Do not purchase a bike before buying a helmet and jacket. There is no conceivable reason to ever not wear gear.

2) Do not, under any circumstance ride with any of the following: Sandals, shorts, or no shirt or t-shirt.

3) Always listen to advice from those more experienced than you.

4) There is no substute for seat time. You will always learn something new the longer you ride.

5) Take any classes offered by the state. They maybe lame, no doubt. But seat time is key. Also, most of these classes will offer you your liscense if you complete the course. This also correspondes with #4 and #3.

6) Always inspect you bike on a weekly if not daily basis.
This includes but is not limited to lube the chain, check the tires, brakes, oil, ect.

7) Warm both your engine and tires everytime.

8) When ever possible ride with others, not only for the experience and knowledge but also groups are more easily seen by others.

9) Never assume the driver sees you, will turn a certin way, ect. In fact never assume anything. ALWAYS be on the alert for others.

10) Respect your machine.
Remember that 999,999 time out of 1,000,000 the bike is better than the rider. Very seldom and i mean VERY seldom does the rider out perform the bike. Remember to ALWAYS respect your machine and to KNOW your own limitations. This doesnt mean you shouldn't push your self to be a better rider, but always KNOW your self and dont lie about your own abilities to your self. Lie to your girlfriend, your friends, or lie to the police, but not your self.

!!) Know your self and your limitations.

12) THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT RULE! listen very closely.

YOU WILL FALL. YOU WILL GO DOWN. I dont care how long you have ridden. How good you are or THINK you are. EVERY SINGLE rider goes down. It may be your fault, or it may not. Some may drop in a corner pick them selfs up and drive home. Some of us go down for good. If you deny this or can not acept this or for whatever reason dont agree with this, do your self and us and everyone else a favor and dont ride. In fact dont even go into a bike shop. This is the reality of riding motorcycles. Every time you go out you must acept that you may not come back, ever. If you still continue to ride as many of us have, then good for you, but always remember this fact.


Anything i forgot, or anything i missed feel free to contribute all!!


Please for the love of God stay safe. Everytime you think of doing someting stupid think of your family and friends standing next to your casket, closed of corse.
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Old 12-03-2003, 07:42 PM   #2
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Re: Advice to new riders.

VERY well said, my friend. More true than perhaps we like to think.
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Old 12-04-2003, 12:55 AM   #3
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Ok I gotta say i'm not diagreeing with what your saying but my dad has been riding 20+yrs on and off never once laid a bike down i've been riding 1 1/2 neither have I. i understand that it can happen but to say it WILL is kinda well blunt and untrue i think. I must say Take the class is the best idea. Ok this one you will hate me for but for hemelts yea there good. but if its legal not too and you don't want to don't then i'm a firefighter seen lots of dead bikers helmets do jack shit when you wipe out bad your heads fine just well 15ft from your body. So don't let them make you feel invuleable. I've also seen them save lives so do remember that the can and do. Once i'm 21 my helmets for sale any takers?
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Old 12-04-2003, 09:30 AM   #4
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Re: Advice to new riders.

Sure, there are a few people who may never have laid down a bike, but they are few and far between. It's just like saying that everyone who drives a car with a manual tranny has stalled it at one point. Once again, there may be a few people who never have, but for the most part EVERYONE does it at one point or another.
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Old 12-04-2003, 12:00 PM   #5
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yea and a big part I think is also luck had lot of close calls. But I think just saying you will lay down will scare alot of new riders off and thats just no fun you know cause were trying to help others into our hobby not chase them off with fear.
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Old 12-04-2003, 03:04 PM   #6
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Re: Advice to new riders.

If your dad has been riding that long has not laid it down thats great. I'm not being sarcastic, thats great. You too. I pray you both never go down. I have never laid down either. But i have been hit on a clam day by a driver that was not paying attention, and it nearly killed me. If a cars has a fenderbender that ruins your day. If a motorcycle has a fenderbenders it destroys your life.

I have to say im a little suprised to see a firefighter say not to wear helmets, and while I agree that they are not guarantee that you will live through an accident, they are most certinly a guarantee of rasing your chances of surviving, compared to no head protection at all. As im sure you allready know that brain can have severe damage and be destroyed at an impact as little as 1/2 mile per hour. I do agree in personal freedom and individual choices, and if you are THAT against helmets that you chose not to wear them, that that is your personal choice. Live and let live. But i would encourage all motorcyclist to wear all available protection at all times. We loose to many brothers the way it is.
As for scaring new riders, well if it scares them then fine. I believe it to be the truth, and i think everyone should consider it. Everytime you go out you might not come back. I think i large part of RESPONSIBLE riding is being able to acknowlege this. I dont think that new riders should twist the throttle with out thinking about ALL the POSSBILE risks associated with the sport we all love so much. Further i believe that if a new rider knows this, acknowleges this and still choses to ride he or she will be a better rider for it.

At anyrate, i hope we all stay safe, and wish the best for all motorcyclist.

As a last note, any new riders, or anyone for that matter should feel free to PM me with any questions, no matter how insignificant. I would like to be able to help anyone and everyone ride safer and better. (though i am by no means a professor of motorcyles, but i have plenty of experience.)
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Old 12-04-2003, 04:55 PM   #7
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A kid I know Brian O'Leary just died yesterday from a crash on his gixxer 1K, and he did have a helmet on, however if he wasn't a 18 year old kid who just started riding on a 1liter sportsbike, perhaps it would have been an avoidable accident.

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Old 12-04-2003, 10:03 PM   #8
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oh yea I 100% agree they do save lives. Maybe its just some hidden rebel in me that tells me to leave mine at home. But I will say not untill you feel your a compent rider even think of riding without a helm. I've seen people wreck bikes first weekend ride and not having a helm caused there injury to be lot worse. So if you plan on no helm wait till you can ride well.
I'm sorry to hear about that R-1. Thats another thing probbly don't start on somthing like a 1liter sport bike.
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Old 12-04-2003, 11:26 PM   #9
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my only advise.

Know and use hand signals, don't zip through traffic between cars and cut people off, unless you want to be run over by a soccer mom driving a ford excursion. And wear some good boots for winter riding, you'll need them.
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Old 12-05-2003, 12:22 AM   #10
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fo sheezy i vote this be sticky!
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Old 12-08-2003, 01:17 PM   #11
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Helmet = open casket
No Helmet = closed casket
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Old 12-11-2003, 12:19 AM   #12
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Re: Advice to new riders.

Yes that is why that other kid on here who bought the R1 as his first bike may not be with us too much longer. Hate to say it but its nothing but PROVEN true. Poor guy.
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Old 12-27-2003, 04:17 PM   #13
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Re: Advice to new riders.

I won't get on mine without my helmet. Hell if for no other reason just to keep the bugs out of my eyes. Any protection is better than none so I have no problem wearing mine.
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Re: Advice to new riders.

I say that all that has been said for the beginner should hold true for the expierenced.I have ridden for a long time.Since the early 70's.I've never been hurt real bad but I've been there.I love to ride!Never get stoned or drunk and attempt to ride.There is less than a 50% of surviving this way on a bike.I find it more comfortable to ride with a helmet(bugs and all) To those people that have'nt crashed.Don't foget about the second biggest little word.YET! The first one is IF.Ride it and respect it.


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Old 12-28-2003, 09:36 PM   #15
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Xv7vX , that write up should get a sticky. The only things I would say is missing. Leathers !!!!! Your 2nd skin. I went down HARD on a CBR 600 F2.
Late one night I was out for a ride. I lived on a back highway speeds around 65 just out my driveway. Anyway, I leave my place and just nail it. Then I see tail lights about 1\4 mile in front of me. No big deal I am still on it around 85 90 mph. Then I see the tail lights cut hard right then left into the ditch. Now I am almost on top of the car when it did this. Next thing I know theres a BODY of a person on the road Now it was time to think fast #1 hit the body dead on. #2 lay the bike down not to hit him. I went with #2 Sent the bike off into the ditch with me sliding down the road. The bike slid down the road into the ditch and took out a mile marker post. I went about the same but missed the post. Thank god for my leathers & lid!!! I was ok and got up with out a scratch. Turns out the car had hit this guy as he was crossing the highway. I ran up and saw he was alive. But bolth his legs where broken BAD and he was out. I ran back to my bike and pushed it up in front of him and started flashing my head light back down the road at on coming cars. At the same time I am calling 911 on my cell. We bolth almost got taken out by a big rig that some how didnt see us till the lats minn. I am talking me dropping my bike AGAIN & taking a dive off the road. Then seeing the trailer tires locked up and smoking past his head Just after all that the cops show and close the highway.
Point is leathers & a lid WILL save your azz. There a 2nd skin that will let you hit the road and make it. So long as you dont get hit or hit some thing You never know.
One other thing for newbe riders. Watch out for oil in parking spaces. Your foot can slip out from under you real fast. Plus on blacktop your stand can and will sink into it on hot days. Then your bike falls over when your not even there.
I took hold of the bars in 1986 & have yet to let um go. That was my first and only time down. SO FAR
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