There really is no point to this.

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by mikegee

only 4.6 thats still a lot of liters. the difference between liters of these 2 cars are more liters then in my car.

and you bring the point up about boost the number of boost. so whats ya point?

Whats my point? OK boost the cobra 17 PSI and I think you will get my point.

[mikegee]

Originally Posted by PWMAN

The whole reason the EVO was built was to be a rally car

now tell me ya point.

[mikegee]

Originally Posted by PWMAN

Whats my point? OK boost the cobra 17 PSI and I think you will get my point.

why boost it further?, we are comparing showroom to showroom.

[mikegee]

Originally Posted by PWMAN

The whole reason the EVO was built was to be a rally car

and the evo we are talking about is a street car.

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by mikegee

and the evo we are talking about is a street car.

The WRX is a rally car, the EVO was made to combat it. The EVO is a rally car.
Strait line performance is what muscle cars are all about. Torque rules on the street.

Ford was dumb by putting a roots blower on the cobra. Just for the sake of argument, just boost the Cobra with 8 PSI of intercooled turbo and it would make twice the HP that roots will.
If I ever by a Mustang, it sure won't be a cobra. It will be a GT, and the I'll put a intercooled centrifical SC on it and make 500 HP easy.

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by mikegee

why boost it further?, we are comparing showroom to showroom.

Yup showroom to showroom the cobra will SMOKE the EVO on the Highway. If the Cobra could get traction, it would be atleast a second faster in the 1/4-because it really makes 450 HP in real life. Dyno's prove that it gets more than it's factory rating (390) to the wheels.

[Vicious]

i love american cars yes im plannin on gettin a 70 cuda but hell look in any carsales magazine i dont see many jap cars...they are better then american cars off the bat and are the easiest for kids to buy and maintain...... and considering over 3/4 te driving population is between 16-27 hell thats alot of car that are more then likely jap....so yea.. its stupid to think that american is better just because...fuck looks? i go for a muscle all the way but for cheap easy reliable car i go jap no matter what thats how it is..sry

[Vicious]

ok realy now a 99skyline vs any american car stock car..its lighter ..gots a a 280-350hp stock engine(Rumourd) adn hell its got a fan or something to hold it closer to the ground to increase aerodynamics.......i dont think many stock cars can beat that and yea it dont follow cheaper is betterskylines are like 90k

[mikegee]

Originally Posted by Vicious

ok realy now a 99skyline vs any american car stock car..its lighter ..gots a a 280-350hp stock engine(Rumourd) adn hell its got a fan or something to hold it closer to the ground to increase aerodynamics.......i dont think many stock cars can beat that and yea it dont follow cheaper is betterskylines are like 90k

90k no if you were to buy a 99 skyline in 1999 it would cost roughly $33,000 us $ but to ship it here yea it would jump that high, due to american regs and rules for shipping such a car here it would jump to about $85,000

[mikegee]

Originally Posted by PWMAN

Yup showroom to showroom the cobra will SMOKE the EVO on the Highway. If the Cobra could get traction, it would be atleast a second faster in the 1/4-because it really makes 450 HP in real life. Dyno's prove that it gets more than it's factory rating (390) to the wheels.

if it has that much power why does it run 0-60 in 4.82 sec slower then the evo at 4.59. the svt having "450hp" and only does the 1/4 in .07 fast then the evo. my thats slow in comparison the evo has only 271. my point was never that the evo is faster or jap cars are better my point is, why are japanese cars close, equal to, or sometimes faster then american muscle. and also why so much power in american muscle but so slow? i hear reason of weight and traction. how is that a good reason? i mean people brag of how american muscle cars are made for strait line but yet they dont go anywhere

[-Josh-]

Power distribution. Those older muscle cars didn't have some of the chassis that newer cars do, subframes and whatnot. They put so much power to the wheels, getting traction is a skill few can master. To say a muscle car doesn't go anywhere though is to say that a Japanese car gets shitty gas mileage. As for newer muscle cars....Let me put it this way, lets say that American cars specialized in 4 bangers, and Imports specialized in OHV V8's. It would be a reverse scenario, they can compete because they've had years and years to come up with the technology that they have, the same for american V8's. All it is, Japanese engineers know how to make a powerful 4 Cylinder, American engineers know how to make a powerful V8. Because it's what they've worked with and what they know how to do.

[mikegee]

Originally Posted by Z28Josh

Power distribution. Those older muscle cars didn't have some of the chassis that newer cars do, subframes and whatnot. They put so much power to the wheels, getting traction is a skill few can master. To say a muscle car doesn't go anywhere though is to say that a Japanese car gets shitty gas mileage. As for newer muscle cars....Let me put it this way, lets say that American cars specialized in 4 bangers, and Imports specialized in OHV V8's. It would be a reverse scenario, they can compete because they've had years and years to come up with the technology that they have, the same for american V8's. All it is, Japanese engineers know how to make a powerful 4 Cylinder, American engineers know how to make a powerful V8. Because it's what they've worked with and what they know how to do.

good point, but still how is that a good excuss, its a fact that 4 bangers are outrunning v8, and the only v8s that are faster are the ones found in cars costing more then $40 grand, or after market.

[-Josh-]

Originally Posted by Vicious

ok realy now a 99skyline vs any american car stock car..its lighter ..gots a a 280-350hp stock engine(Rumourd) adn hell its got a fan or something to hold it closer to the ground to increase aerodynamics.......i dont think many stock cars can beat that and yea it dont follow cheaper is betterskylines are like 90k

Please..Dont talk..at least not about cars

1st- You can't type and it's annoying to read
2nd- When did anyone in here start talking about Skylines
3rd- 90K for an import when you can get an equally good 2002 T/A WS6 for 32K.
4th- A fan? Do you have any idea what your talking about, a fan will not lower your car, it will cool the engine.
5th- Any American car? 1966 Cobra 427? 1966 Corvette 427? Any of the fastest american cars? 1987 Buick GN GNX?

How long were the gears in your head churning to come up with these thoughts?

[-Josh-]

Originally Posted by mikegee

good point, but still how is that a good excuss, its a fact that 4 bangers are outrunning v8, and the only v8s that are faster are the ones found in cars costing more then $40 grand, or after market.

I dont see to much of this? At least not where i'm from...They can't even beat most of the V6's. I'm driving my grandpas 94' Accord V-Tec, when i raced my cousin in his 3.0 LeBaron, he kicked my ass. I'm not impressed at all with the V-Tec..It's a cool concept, but not for performance.

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by Z28Josh

I dont see to much of this? At least not where i'm from...They can't even beat most of the V6's. I'm driving my grandpas 94' Accord V-Tec, when i raced my cousin in his 3.0 LeBaron, he kicked my ass. I'm not impressed at all with the V-Tec..It's a cool concept, but not for performance.

LOL, the 3.0L sucks too. Try one of the turbo cars, like a GTC lebaron.
The thing with imports is NO torque, you can talk HP until you are blue in the face, just give me the torque output of the engine and I'll humiliate you. Like my daytona, rated at 146 HP, but 168 ft/lbs stock. Integra LS? yeah 142 HP, but a measly 130 ft/lbs. Plus that was with the ECU controlling boost, now that I have a MBC, I probably have 225 ft/lbs and about 190 HP. I could smoke an LS with bolt ons no problem when I was stock. But now, with less than $500 in mods, I'm taking on GSX's and I laugh at all the Honduhs. And I don't have a car payment, or high insurance. After I intercool it will be a lot faster because the potential is greater. Turbos are cool, but I'd rather go with good old american V8 torque(and sound).