What we drive in Europe. Compact cars

[Ssom]

Originally posted by LadyBuickGS
Quote "The 3800 series GM engine makes as much hp and more torque than comparative European engines and it gets better mileage. So leave pushrods alone":alien2:

But for every satisfied owner (ie. You) there are a lot of disatisfied owners of Holden Commodore/Statesman/Caprice V6's that would beg to differ, the Gen III V8 though is another example of how good pushrods CAN be with a little thought :coolguy:

Stephanel1: That answered my question quite well thanks I was picturing a sedan though always pays to have a load-lugger

[gang$tarr]

Originally posted by Stefanel1
and you drive at 30 mph... or almost.

or my average speed on the highway is 75-80mph (approx. 130kph)

[Pennzoil GT-R]

Originally posted by gang$tarr


or my average speed on the highway is 75-80mph (approx. 130kph)

is that you're personal average speed or the speed limit?!? the two might be very different When i last went to America (Florida) the limits was either 40 or 50 on the fastest roads

[Fliquer]

Average US Highway speed limit is about 65mph today. (average, not highest).

[Stefanel1]

gang star, be careful, you'll have an accident : 75mph, oh, you're crazy ! That's what I said, you drive slow in North America, on the highway and interstate mainly. Here (in France), the speed limit is 80-85 mph (95 in italy next year, unlimited in Germany) on the highway, and you can drive untill 100 (160 kmh) without having problems with cops. Many people drive over 100mph.

[gang$tarr]

Originally posted by Stefanel1
gang star, be careful, you'll have an accident : 75mph, oh, you're crazy ! That's what I said, you drive slow in North America, on the highway and interstate mainly. Here (in France), the speed limit is 80-85 mph (95 in italy next year, unlimited in Germany) on the highway, and you can drive untill 100 (160 kmh) without having problems with cops. Many people drive over 100mph.

I said that's my average speed
meaning that is what I'm at just cruising comfortably, not speeding.
Most highways like the interstates are 65mph limit but most people drive at around 80mph or more (like fliquer said 65 is avg.)
and you said that the highways are 30mph? maybe in a residential area.
On highways I think the minimum speed is 45mph, otherwise you get a ticket.

Also in Dakota (I think it's Dakota) there are no limit freeways just like Germany.

Penzoil: I wouldnt compare Florida to the rest of the U.S. since that's pretty much a retirement state, and mostly old people live there

I'm surprised you guys can even get those little go-karts to go that fast on your highways haha

[Pennzoil GT-R]

Originally posted by Stefanel1
gang star, be careful, you'll have an accident : 75mph, oh, you're crazy ! That's what I said, you drive slow in North America, on the highway and interstate mainly. Here (in France), the speed limit is 80-85 mph (95 in italy next year, unlimited in Germany) on the highway, and you can drive untill 100 (160 kmh) without having problems with cops. Many people drive over 100mph.

95 in italy. damn u guys are lucky. last time i went to mainland europe i wasnt able to drive so i guess i neva took much notice of roads. the highest limit on UK roads is 70, with no signs of changing. cops will b on ur ass if u go above 75




unfortunately the autobahns arent gonna be unlimited for much longer, and the ones that are are too busy too speed on anyway

[Fliquer]

Many people drive over 100mph

I wish we could do that legally over here..

[Stefanel1]

gang starr : we've not only little cars (like Twingo or Lupo) which are driving mainly in towns. But these cars ca go untill at least 100mph. And cars which are on the highways are often compact or sedans (Golf, 307, C5, E class and more). These cars can afford at least 110mph for the less powerfull.
So our "go karts" are better than you boats with a bad handling and poor motors : for example, 110 mph for a Camaro V6 : hahahaha !!! Plus, these kind of cars are drinking a lot of gas, thanks for environment and our wallet...
When I said 30mph, it was exagerated of course... I thought you saw that.
80 on an highway ? I remember driving at 85 (it was limited a 65, in nevada or California) on these roads, and I had a car of cops behind me, with all lights : I thought I had kill somebody !

[Fliquer]

I dont think you know what you are talking about...you're saying a 110 mph capacity makes your "karts" better than our "boats"? And what makes you think our "boats" are gas guzzlers? And who wants to be driving a stiffly suspensioned, cramped little golf on a long highway trip anyway?

If you want to get into a usa vs europe debate you'd better be prepared for it.

[Stefanel1]

I said that because gang staar said that "our go karts" could'nt go at 100 or something like that. I don't say that the max speed is most important, and I'll never say that because it's false. But that's not because a car is small that it will not be able to go at a good speed on the Highway.
I had a Golf III and made a Paris-Mastricht at an average of 170kmh, I wasn't asleep because it's a good car. Of course, it will be a little bit better in a 607 or a 5 series, but it's not the same price.
A last thing : do not forget that many people here have a medium or big car for the WE or hollidays and a small one to go to work in big cities. Another thing, generally, the women have a small car and the men, a bigger one. I thing it's stupid but it's an explaination why you see as much little cars here.
PS : I don't want a war btw EU and US !

[gang$tarr]

Originally posted by Stefanel1
gang starr : we've not only little cars (like Twingo or Lupo) which are driving mainly in towns. But these cars ca go untill at least 100mph. And cars which are on the highways are often compact or sedans (Golf, 307, C5, E class and more). These cars can afford at least 110mph for the less powerfull.
So our "go karts" are better than you boats with a bad handling and poor motors : for example, 110 mph for a Camaro V6 : hahahaha !!! Plus, these kind of cars are drinking a lot of gas, thanks for environment and our wallet...
When I said 30mph, it was exagerated of course... I thought you saw that.
80 on an highway ? I remember driving at 85 (it was limited a 65, in nevada or California) on these roads, and I had a car of cops behind me, with all lights : I thought I had kill somebody !

uh.. i was jus jokin. I said i'm surprised they can, not that they cant.

And I have no idea why you're bringing up american cars? American cars are crap for the most part.

And i never said oh we drive more chevy impalas and mustangs.... i said I see more BMWs, Mercedes, etc. around here than in europe.

You guys just have alot of little cars, while most of our cars are 3 series size.
Most cars driven around cities (well everywhere) are 3 series size here.
The highest selling cars are Honday Civics, I wouldnt call those "boats" that are driven around america.

Like somebody else mentioned in england there were a 1000 Toyota Camrys sold and here it was something like 400,000+
thats the difference right there...

[Ssom]

FUCK!!!!!!! All you Europeans and Yanks should be bloody greatful that you can travel that fast

In New Zealand the open road and Highway spped limit is 60Mph OR 100 Km/h (Although I HAVE pushed it past 100MPH before on the Desrt Road)

[gang$tarr]

Originally posted by Moss1O6GTi
FUCK!!!!!!! All you Europeans and Yanks should be bloody greatful that you can travel that fast

In New Zealand the open road and Highway spped limit is 60Mph OR 100 Km/h (Although I HAVE pushed it past 100MPH before on the Desrt Road)

lol i remember primera man sayin that its getting worse too
You guys have cameras that catch you speeding!

We had those for a couple monthes, then people complained that it's invasion of privacy and no more

i feel for you my friend.... keep your head up

[Porsche]

Originally posted by gang$tarr


lol i remember primera man sayin that its getting worse too
You guys have cameras that catch you speeding!

We had those for a couple monthes, then people complained that it's invasion of privacy and no more

i feel for you my friend.... keep your head up

You talking about the Cops on the bridges (Overpasses behind trees) or Red light Cams? That's what we got here. Nobody I know got one, but the red light cam takes a pic of your plate as you sail thorugh the red and mails you a fine. Damn police efficiency!