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Old 02-12-2014, 08:18 AM   #1
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I hope this is a special version of the 12C to beat the 458 Speciale...



If it is a new model, the problem with names is really huge.

MP4-12C, 650S & P1: this has no sense.
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12c it is now
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It's "just" an updated 12C with P1 headlamps and GT3 front bumpers.
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Wait, this is the car what was known under the codename 13C?

Is this a version of 12C or a new model? I am not sure because I read an article where it was written it is placed between 12C and P1...
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Wait, this is the car what was known under the codename 13C?

Is this a version of 12C or a new model? I am not sure because I read an article where it was written it is placed between 12C and P1...

650S is placed between 12C (codename P11) and P1 (codename P12), but I'm not sure it's the car codenamed P15 because that car was expected to be a rival of the Ferrari F12 (740HP and 310,000€) and Lambo Aventador (700HP and 360,000€).
650HP are simply not enough...
I want to believe 650S is "P14".

I think (I hope...) 650S is just a version of 12C to be the rival of the 458 Speciale.


And P13 will be a new model "under" 12C to be the rival of the 911 Carrera.
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From Autocar (January 2014):

A new McLaren supercar to sit between the 12C and the P1 in an expanded line-up form the Woking firm is in the early stages development, McLaren Automotive chief executive Mike Flewitt has confirmed to Autocar.

Although company officials say the model, referred to as P15, is still "quite a long way off", it's been confirmed that the car will use a mid-mounted turbocharged engine, likely to be a heavily revised version of the 12C's twin-turbocharged 3.8-litre V8. Also confirmed is the now-familiar carbonfibre tub chassis, which sits at the core of all McLaren's road cars.

McLaren won't reveal more, saying that as the P15 is so early into its development, technology is likely to change before the model arrives in showrooms. Therefore its exact engine specifications, materials and electronic systems are unknown.

Company sources are keeping tight-lipped about the P15's other details, with new McLaren chief executive Mike Flewitt only saying it will be different than the company's other planned new arrival, a Porsche 911 Turbo rival known as P13, in its purpose and character.

Pricing for the two models will also differ wildly, with the P15 likely to go on sale for around £400,000. By comparison, McLaren is pitching its P13 at a price point of £120,000.

With the P13 pitched to account for between 2000 and 2500 cars per year, McLaren will soon have an annual output of more than 4000 cars over two shifts.

Several derivatives of the P13 are planned, including a Spider version and a stripped-out, extra-performance variant along the lines of the Porsche 911 GT3. In total, McLaren has the capacity to build 6000 cars annually over three shifts a day, but says it could grow to 7000 units per year if needed, possibly with the arrival of a P15 later in the decade.

McLaren chairman Ron Dennis has previously said the company will launch “something of substance” every year, and it has so far stuck to its plan. Joining the range this year will be an enhanced version of the 12C, which will be sold as a stand-alone model. That car has been developed to deliver on-road performance to rival the Ferrari 458 Speciale. The new model uses a modified version of the 12C's engine producing around 650bhp.

Flewitt has also hinted at a potential P1 successor in the long-term future, but said that a new game-changing range-topper would only be likely after battery and electric motor technology have taken significant leaps forward.

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12c it is now

Yes, I know.
We lost "MP4" in 2012.

I remember the origin of that silly name but I still don't understand it.





From McLaren website:

The name of the new McLaren sports car is MP4-12C. What does this signify? As one might expect at McLaren everything has a purpose and the nomenclature is no exception.

‘MP4’ has been the chassis designation for all McLaren Formula 1 cars since 1981. It stands for McLaren Project 4, resulting from the merger of Ron Dennis’ Project 4 organisation with McLaren.

The ‘12’ refers to McLaren’s internal Vehicle Performance Index through which it rates key performance criteria both for competitors and for its own cars. The criteria combine power, weight, emissions, and aerodynamic efficiency. The coalition of all these values delivers an overall performance index that has been used as a benchmark throughout the car’s development. It represents power and efficiencies.

The ‘C’ refers to Carbon, highlighting the unique application of carbon fibre technology to the future range of McLaren sports cars.

The elements of this name represent everything that the McLaren MP4-12C stands for:

‘MP4’ represents the racing bloodline

‘12’ represents the intense focus on complete performance

‘C’ represents the revolutionary Carbon MonoCell







WTF is "12"?
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they clearly rate competitors vehicles on a numerical scale but that would be thrown out by P2 as it neither has the MP4 or C and 2 would be very low index unless it also has an in-house identity that uses these elements?
Come on Henry enlighten us.
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The ‘12’ refers to McLaren’s internal Vehicle Performance Index through which it rates key performance criteria both for competitors and for its own cars. The criteria combine power, weight, emissions, and aerodynamic efficiency. The coalition of all these values delivers an overall performance index that has been used as a benchmark throughout the car’s development. It represents power and efficiencies.

I'd like to know something about "McLaren’s internal Vehicle Performance Index"...


To generate this "Performance Index" do they use International System of Units or Imperial Units?
Which number is "better": 3.1415926535 or 69?
I'd like to know Performance Index of a P1, a Ferrari 458 and a Zastava Yugo.

I know how to combine kW and kg... But how to combine it with aerodynamic efficiency? Are we talking about Cx or SCx?

Emissions... OK!
Carbon monoxide? Carbon dioxide? Hydrocarbons? Oxides of nitrogen? All of them?

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Ah a true conesoiur I used to race rally and autotest a Zastava Yugo mind it was built mainly using Abarth racing bits lol scared a few escort Mexico's and RS2000's
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Now, the Spider:











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Below is the scanned article from EVO magazine UK, featuring 458 Speciale, 650S and 991 GT3. It is not mine, I just found it and wanted to share it with you.

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=480931
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