How to disable the speed governer/limiter?

[Classicrocjunkie]

How do I disable my speed governor / limiter?

In short, you don't. The topic of speed limiter removal can be discussed on this site due to a change in the sites position. While i am against this decision without being properly equipet, this is what i think and its going to be blantent and will be a firm statement as i can spell it out for you all. It is illegal to drive that fast. Of course the most common argument is that it will be for track purposes. In short, if you do have a car that is capable of trapping over 108, then you've apparently got enough knowledge that you should know how to get rid of the speed limiter on your own. It takes A LOT of work and A LOT of money to get a J-Body to trap 108+ in the 1/4 mile...ask anyone that has. Once you put that much into a car, you're sure to know how to do it. If you don't, maybe it's time to hit the books again. If you fit in this category, and really don't know, take a look at your service manual, specifically at the VSS sensor, and be creative.

If you still have an argument, please read the following. Please excuse the crude language, it is meant to be a shocking article.

Originally Posted by JBO member

So I'm on my way home from work today, and I realized I left something on my desk. @!#$. Well, at the time I was headed south on I-83 but fortunately hadn't passed the last exit. I get off the highway, loop around and get back on northbound to head back to work. Again...@!#$. I hate wasting time

Anyway, I merge back into traffic and get up to speed. Speed limit in this section of I-83 is 50MPH, but actual traffic speed is about 70. I head over to the fast lane and I'm tooling along for about a mile when I see this car coming up on me in my rear view mirror...FAST. There is a line of traffic in the lane next to me that I'm about 5 cars back from the front of. I look again and he's still closing fast...no signal or sign he's gonna pull off. I floor it and by the time I get past the head of that line of cars I'm doing over 90. I jump into the center lane and this guy's car was just a blur going by me. I was doing over 90MPH and he went by me like I was sitting still. I counted off the best I could when he passed the tenth-mile markers ahead of me...around 3 seconds per tenth-marker -- That's somewhere in the neighborhood of 120MPH! @!#$ tool.

We come to a section of the highway where it rounds a gradual turn, then goes downhill then back up. After rounding the curve you can see a good mile and a half ahead. All I see is this retard (still at full speed) weaving in and out of traffic, twice crossing all three lanes to get around people. Next thing I see is brake lights, swerving cars, smoke and lots of flashing lights. Then I realized I wasn't seeing any flashing lights...I was seeing the lights on the retard's car over and over again as it rolled repeatedly, then went end over end at least twice.

Fortunately for those of us with brains, all the swerving and locking up of brakes kept everyone at a safe distance from the destruction of this guy's car (now on it's roof laying off the shoulder into the median). Lots of people, including me, stopped and I ran up to what was left of the car with a couple other people. The guy was still in his seatbelt and still in the seat and SOMEHOW still alive and conscious. He popped the belt loose and crawled out the window and laid on the ground a bit, then got up and started walking around. Me and everyone else there was amazed that he was even alive, let alone walking. He looked to be about 18, and was pretty shaken up but seemed to be getting around ok. We kept telling him to sit down but he wouldn't.

So anyway, the police get there and start taking everyone's information and interviewing all of us that stopped. They got my address etc, then started asking me when and where I first saw him, how fast I was going and all that good stuff. I told the cop how fast I had been going, as well as the fact that I had to get up to 90+ just to get out of this guy's way and he STILL blew by me like I was in reverse. I said I thought he was going at least 120. The cop told me that their initial impression was that from the length of the highway this guy had @!#$ up rolling his car, plus the fact that it had gone end over end at least twice toward the END of it's roll they were guesstimating 130, but the accident investigators would figure it out exactly. I can hear the guy being asked questions by the cops as some paramedics are attending to him on the side of the road. he keeps telling them he "can't understand it...it just broke loose...it just broke loose...it's not supposed to break loose like that. It just got away from me and started spinning"

OK, so fast forward to now. I'm sitting here typing and reading, making sure I didn't miss anything to make sure everyone can get the full picture in their head of how ugly this was. The only thing I've missed is WHY DOES ANYONE CARE?

The car that blew by me at 120+ before getting some "custom body work" done was a 2003 Cavalier. Could be an '04, I dunno for sure...but the tails looked just like the ones on my brother's '03. Ive never seen '04 tails).

Yup, you heard right. A 2003 Cavalier, in all it's speed-limited glory. I wonder where he got the information on how to disable the governor. Being a Cavalier, I'd say there's a good chance it was on www.j-body.org who's rules are now in effect where the discussion of it is now forbiddon because of this issue.

In this litigious society of ours who knows what can happen now. If some dumb fuck can get millions for pouring coffee on her lap and being surprised that it's hot, who knows what could happen out of this. I'm just glad that nobody could point the finger at me for this one. Someone says "VSS mod" to me and I say "you're a fucking moron" to them. I'm in the clear on this one.

Now for the good part...


This part is for those of you that refuse to stop asking about "killing the governor", "I'm tired of civics beating me past 108" and every other variation of the question we hear here 2349523456234 times a day.

My good friend Art (Event Omega) is absolutely right. "If you have enough of a car to be worthy of doing 108+ on ANY track, you would already have enough knowledge and ability at your disposal to get rid of the governor on your own. If you have to ask the question, then you don't know enough about your car. If you don't know enough about your car then you probably haven't done anything to the suspension or brakes to support a car travelling at speeds like that. Aside from the fact that travelling at speeds like that on a public road is just plain unsafe. Unsafe for you, I don't really care about. If you're the one asking this question, I don't give a shit about you anymore. I'm worried about me. I'm worried about my fiancee and my son. I'm worried about my friends and my family. This son of a bitch could just as easily hit me or run me off the road or hit me had I not been paying attention to my mirrors. So shut the fuck up. NOW. Do us all a favor and get it over with today. Find a brick wall, bridge abutment, or even a well reinforced building and run your car (at 108) and your selfish, inconsiderate, juvenile punk ass into it. We are much better off without you.

Originally Posted by JBO member

"The I-83 Asshat described above was lucky. He didn't kill himself or anyone else. But it could have VERY easily gone another way. There was ALOT of traffic on I-83 today and he was weaving in and out of it at full speed. All he lost was his car. Maybe COMPLETLY lost his car too, since insurance companies look for governor tampering in speed related accidents now."

That's for a whole different thread. This thread is dedicated to how much of an asshole you all are that want to know, without being properly equipt.

"But I'm a good driver!" / "It's OK, I know how to drive" -- SHUT THE FUCK UP! Most of you asking about this mod are like 16-20 years old. You DO NOT know how to drive THAT WELL yet. Besides, your driving skill has nothing to do with it. Do you think Dale Earnhardt Jr or Jeff Gordon drive their cars at 150MPH on the highway just because they are professional drivers? Doubtful. So you're doing 108MPH and you know exactly where you're gonna go. What about the guy in front of you that you're gonna go around. Only he doesn't know that...he sees you coming and tries to get out of your way at the same time you move to go around him. Then you correct, overcompensate and suddenly your car looks like the Cavalier formerly owned by "I-83 Asshat". Worse, maybe you hit the guy and then spin him out of control, into a wall, into another car, etc. Didn't think of that, did you Speed Racer?


"I only do it on country roads where nobody is around" -- Again, SHUT THE FUCK UP. At 108MPH you are travelling at a speed that gives you little time to react to anything. WHAT IF something DID happen to be around? Or just "show up"? Just because it's a country road where nobody is around doesn't change the fact that it is STILL a public road that everyone has just as much right to be on as you. I work for Verizon and recently, a Verizon technician was killed by a street racer. Imagine being out there doing your job, in this case hanging at the top of a telephone pole. Then imagine that you hear the sound of a couple cars coming down the road at full speed. Then imagine that you watch one of these cars lose control when they try to avoid your truck and orange cones on the side of the road and shear off your telephone pole at the ground. Then imagine riding that pole down to your death. While you're at it, imagine the two children whose 27 year old mother will never be coming home again, you inconsiderate fuck!

You have no "right" to street race. You have no "reason" to street race. Hell, let's be honest here. Most of us have small 4 cylinder cars. We barely have the MEANS to do anything that even resembles "racing".


OK, I'll leave the bashing and vicious rant at that, because if I go any farther it's just going to turn into an obscenity-laden tirade about social responsibility and how The Fast and The Furious is causing the downfall of modern civilization.

I don't think much will change as a result of this, but I will make every effort to pursuade you into not doing it without plausable cause.

Considering that there are more lawyers than accident victims in this country, I'm also strongly recommending that [rules are made] regarding this kind of information on the forums. There is just too much risk in allowing this information into the hands of the blatantly stupid. Let's get back to the example of the dumb fuck at McDonalds...Coffee is hot (duh). We know that. She won millions of dollars because coffee was hot and she dumped it in her lap. WOW! Well, let's draw a parallel... I know that cars at high speeds can kill people. Some tool who tampers with his governor probably knows it too, but let's say he ignores that and does it anyway. Then he kills himself and someone else. Next thing you know his family will be whining in court about how the evil Automotive forums and it's evil moderators allowed him to get the information to make his car go too fast and kill himself and now they want lots of money. @!#$ that. I want no part of it. So with in my conclusion this will probably be locked but Kustmace i think this should be a sticky. I can go back and edit my cussing words.


Feel free to comment on my opinions.

[ImSoYesterday]

I use to think it would be cool to disable the VSS at the push of a button when I wanted to go faster. But. I realized, why? I am not the smartest person, street racing is a daily routine for me, running from cops is montly (they can only go 90 here) and I just have no use to go any faster than that. This post should be printed and put in the notebook of every teen in high school, on the door of everyone's bedroom. Take it to heart, speed isn't worth a loss of a car or death.

[TunerAdept]

ok... ill make my opinion short and sweet. i agree you shouldnt be going more than 100 in any scenario. but i also street race daily, every chance i get in fact. i have every right to street race whenever and wherever i want, because of one thing... i am an american, that gives me the right to be an inconsiderate asshole till hell freezes over. calling high speeders morons is one thing, but to bash all forms of street racing, despite the driver and despite the area and despite the car isnt fair. i have seen people who get in wrecks, they are morons. not all street racers race that high, i usually kill it at about 70 ona good day, 50 on an average since im usually way winning by then... just a thought.

[-Jayson-]

well i street race all the time. Ill admit it. I enjoy it. I feel safer street racing than i do driving normally in rush hour traffic and heres why.


Copied from a JBODY.ORG thread

"In 2001, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) reported that police listed street racing as a factor in 135 fatal crashes. The total was up from 72 street-racing-related fatalities reported in 2000.
Now 135 deaths is nothing to sneeze at, and I consider all of them tragedies. But, in order to get to the truth of the matter, we need to see how many total traffic fatalities there were in 2001. From information on the NHTSA's site, we find there were 41,979 total fatalities on U.S. roadways in 2001. Now, recall a little bit of middle school math, and that comes out to 0.3% of all traffic fatalities being related to street racing."

[Classicrocjunkie]

All good reasons. THis is mainly directed towards the VSS mod and the guys who feel the need to be racing at speeds above 80 MPH. Light to light is only stop and go driving. I could careless about that because i to feel the need to feel the HP in high RPMS just kick in. So i don't consider that street racing. Its when you go way up and above the speedlimit is when i have problems with people. Keep your thoughts comming.

[KustmAce]

First of all, I must say, great post, I could not agree more. No lock, and stuck. I also fixed the little spelling error in the title .

Secondly:

Originally Posted by TunerAdept

i have every right to street race whenever and wherever i want, because of one thing... i am an american, that gives me the right to be an inconsiderate asshole till hell freezes over.

I think you need to go reread the Bill of Rights, because unless I missed something, breaking laws is not a right. Putting the lives of others is not a right. Although, I urge you to give that argument to the cop writing you up a 25 point ticket after your busted for street racing, which will happen. Also, I do believe I have found a new sig quote. Thank You.

Originally Posted by TunerAdept

calling high speeders morons is one thing, but to bash all forms of street racing, despite the driver and despite the area and despite the car isnt fair.

Why not? Doesn't matter if your Mario Andretti driving a Maybach in the middle of Times Square. Street Racing is illegal, period. There is no excuse for it. Not to mention, how many "forms" of street racing are there? Is it oikay to bash all forms of burglary? How about rape? Are some forms okay and others not?

Originally Posted by TunerAdept

i have seen people who get in wrecks, they are morons.

I have seen people in wrecks too. None of which morons. Actually, most were smart, obeying the law, broadsided by some idiot racing someone.

Originally Posted by TunerAdept

not all street racers race that high, i usually kill it at about 70 ona good day, 50 on an average

Like I said before, does the fact that you "kill it around 70 on a good day" make it legal? What if a burglar got caught and said "Oh I only take 50 bucks on a good day". Or a guy shoots someone and says "Well I only shot him in the leg". Real strong argument there.

Originally Posted by TunerAdept

since im usually way winning by then...

Riiight. Im sure your lil' hot rod Cavy makes mince meat out of everything on the road. A nice strong, valid conclusion to a similarly strong, valid argument. And on top of everything, your cocky to boot.

Now, since everyone seems to be tossing in a pair of pennies, I think I'll do the same. I have street raced, and still do every once in a while. I won't deny that. I also won't deny that when I do that its stupid. I know it, anyone thats racing me knows it. As much as anyone can try to justify it, fact remains, breaking the law is breaking the law. And if you think I have no ground to stand on in my argument, I am currently riding on a probationary license for speeding until late June. I broke the law, paid the consequence. But, really, truly, there is no excuse whatsover, no justification, no matter how hard you try, to breaking the law. Period.

[Classicrocjunkie]

oooo shiat...

TunerAdept just got OWNED!!

[TunerAdept]

i dont race in my cavy , i race in my blown 350 camaro. everyone is entitled to an opinion, and i knew my post would trigger an arguement for some, but no matter what, i could care less. i will street race until i loose my license. never been ticketed before, so dont have to worry about that much. hell, the cops here challenge ya half the time. besides, you pick and choose your battles. racing is nothing like burglary or rape for one solid reason... if done right it harms no one. burglary causes a financial problem for some, rape is obvious, but racing causes no one any harm period. so your analogy is flawed.

oh yeah, and my justification to speeding... because its fun. you dont need much more of a reason than that. you cant spend your life going "what if this?" "what if that?" if you did, it'd be very very boring, like ned flanders off the simpsons. be like max powers, wrong only faster

[KustmAce]

Originally Posted by TunerAdept

racing causes no one any harm period.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/dragra...sings_ctv.html-2 Dead- caused by street racing

http://novanewsnet.ukings.ns.ca/nova...3588_3126.html- 16 year old dead- caused by street racing

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/arc...p/t-62416.html- 1 badly injured- caused by street racing

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp...6&nav=15MUWloB- 23 year old dead- caused by street racing

http://www.corral.net/Tragedies/Stre...901-California- 2 dead- caused by street racing

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in560612.shtml- 17 year old dead- caused by street racing

http://forums.autoweek.com/thread.js...7400&tstart=75- 2 19 year olds dead- caused by street racing

Shall I go on?

[Classicrocjunkie]

Someone is just diggin himself a hole.

[big dude1]

o think that im the saddest case of all of you... im a firefighter... seen quite my fair share of speed related deaths... and i still love to race

and wow, tuneradept, i think u might wanna shut up b 4 u become the winner of the all time owned award

[TunerAdept]

i have yet to see where he has one point on me. guess in blind. you know what else causes deaths? tylenol. oh yeah, table salt does it too! if some moron inhales it... get my drift? besides, this is just an opinion pole, no matter what he says, im still going to go out there every day and have fun, thats the point of a sports car. no matter what i say i wont be able to sway his mind either. somewhat of a silly conversation in that sense.

[TunerAdept]

u left one thing out of your quoting me, i said WHEN DONE RIGHT it doesnt harm anyone. besides, if you die street racing or kill someone street racing, you deserve to die for idiocy, and the other people being hurt is just bad luck. i personally have never even came close to getting in a wreck from racing, since i pick and choose my battles. you are saying all racers are bad, its like saying women are bad because they have boobs and we dont, unfair at job interviews. get my drift?

[godenm]

Originally Posted by TunerAdept

u left one thing out of your quoting me, i said WHEN DONE RIGHT it doesnt harm anyone. besides, if you die street racing or kill someone street racing, you deserve to die for idiocy, and the other people being hurt is just bad luck. i personally have never even came close to getting in a wreck from racing, since i pick and choose my battles. you are saying all racers are bad, its like saying women are bad because they have boobs and we dont, unfair at job interviews. get my drift?

[-Jayson-]

ok im not gonna try and brag and say my car is uber fast and sweet cause you guys always think im trying to do that. But when i had my 95 2.2L it was slow as stink. I didnt want to race it cause it was so slow i knew i would lose, racing wasnt that fun when your always loosing. Then when i got the Z24 it was a little more fun cause i didnt loose to much with a v6 or less. Now that i have the supercharger its truely a joy to street race. I dont lose often, and the races are alot more fun. I think if your car determines if your gonna be a street racer or not. Ill guarantee if anyone who says they are against street racing gets put behind a corvette or a really nice fast car, they will street race. My theory is the faster the cars and the races, the more adrenaline that gets pumping, and adrenaline is addictive.