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03-14-2005, 08:52 PM | #1 | |
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Good to know that an American Muscle Car is the fastest production car ever
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Re: Good to know that an American Muscle Car is the fastest production car ever
While that is interesting, the site says this:
"Accurate? Not necessarily.** That largely depends on possibly hundreds of factors that need to be taken into account during testing, including weather, altitude, drivers, traction, etc." Car magazines and autos tests were notorious for getting 'ringers' that is, factory prepped and modified cars which maximize their performance. For more than 20 years, the quickest production car that Car& Driver magazine ever tested was a '65 Pontiac Catalina (389 V8), a full size car. It ripped off a 3.9 second 0-60 time. This was faster than any other car, including a bouquet of lighter Hemis, big block Chevy's etc. It turns out that this car had a 421 V8 fully massaged by Royal Pontiac, a Detroit dealership that had a close performance association with the factory. This car was much much faster than a production Catalina. |
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I have that test of the Pontiac 2+2. Years later IIRC an ex-C&D employee finally owned up that those impossible figures were rubbish anyway, as in those days magazines were more intent on racing each other in print rather than supplying accurate times
IMO only the naive would categorise a Hemi Dart or Barracuda as being a genuine 'production car'. To put it in perspective a 'stock standard' 1969 ZL1 Camaro with 4.0 gears was capable of high 11s .. but that's an open exhaust with ladder bars & big drag slicks so it's hardly 'standard-production' either is it? These days you can buy catalogued-model Lotus Clubman clones or similar with race-spec LS1s jammed within. Tiny car, nothing to them. Very light, VERY quick. Do they qualify as a production car? |
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I would agree that the title of "World's Fastest Accelerating" car goes to the '68 Hemi-Dart and Hemi-Barracuda. (BTW, those cars used the race Hemi rated at 525-550 hp, not 425 like the chart shows.)
I would also say that those Mopars were more of a production car than the Ferrari Enzo. For one thing, they were affordable, the Enzo certainly is not. Even though the Hemi Dart/Barracuda were limited-production cars, anyone who wanted to buy one only had to walk into the same dealer where Slant-Six Valiants and Plymouth Fury Station Wagons were sold and put in an order. There were something like 50-60 of each (Hemi-Dart/Barracuda) sold. Since they had functional lights and windshield wipers, they could be driven on the street. I've seen a couple at car shows which were driven in off the street. Anyway, I am glad that Mopar takes the #1 spot! Those two Mopars will probably always be the fastest *affordable* cars. There's really no point having $600,000 cars in a "fastest" list since almost nobody could afford them. And the chance of even seeing one on the street is almost nil. Last edited by Fleet 472; 03-21-2005 at 03:00 PM. |
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03-21-2005, 12:27 PM | #5 | ||
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Re: Good to know that an American Muscle Car is the fastest production car ever
^ me 2, and I do agree that there are some infractions on that list, but I think over all that the list isn't a bad one at all.
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03-31-2005, 03:06 PM | #6 | |
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that's all straight line stuff. I want to know how those top cars perform when they have to move the wheel at all. *screech screech spin spin spin *
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true, but i think the ferrari would win that one over the mopars too!
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I guess the Ferrari driver could say, after losing the 1/4 mile race to the Mopar, that his car gets better fuel mileage! Since the Hemis are tough engines, they probably last a lot longer than the Ferrari engines. (Any engine that can rev to 8,000 rpm is going to be subjected to a lot of stress.)
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The Hemi is great for what it was and what it can still do. And, in comparison to the Enzo, that's all it's worth and it's not much.
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With the Ferrari's ridiculous $652,000 price, who can afford one? Anyone back in the 1960s who could afford a Corvette or Ford Thunderbird could afford an S/S Hemi Mopar. Anyone today who could not afford a car more expensive than a Corvette could certainly not afford a Ferrari Enzo. Also, those Hemi-Mopars could be modifed (for a LOT less than $652,000) to the point where they could keep up with the Ferrari long after the 1/4 mile. Anyway, the 1/4 mile was what the S/S Hemi Mopars were built for, and they had the fastest 1/4 mile time of any factory, production, unmodifed (and *affordable*) car ever. That's worth a WHOLE LOT!
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while we're on the subject of ridiculous prices, has anyone seen the price of some of the original Hemi cars? A hemi 'cuda drop top makes an Enzo look affordable.
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The Super/Stock Hemi Mopars were quicker in the 1/4 mile run than the Ferrari Enzo. Period.
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