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02-10-2005, 05:03 PM | #46 | |
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How's the XXX 15" compare to a W7? I'm starting to wish I waited for this new RE subwoofer. Sounds mean.
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02-10-2005, 05:08 PM | #47 | |
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Re: Avionixx, Cadence, jl which would you choose?
well considering dub7's aren't made in 15's and the extra power handling it shouldn't have a problem taking them
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02-10-2005, 05:19 PM | #48 | |
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Re: Avionixx, Cadence, jl which would you choose?
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As in ALL THINGS AUDIO! Follow the golden rule MIKE!! It's all in the install... NO ONE can tell you which will win...period! So don't be fooled. Also, the radiating cone are on the 13.5 and the shear displacement are AT LEAST equal to that of an 15XXX. So...install...install...install... NG |
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02-10-2005, 05:59 PM | #49 | |
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Re: Avionixx, Cadence, jl which would you choose?
Jesus how many times to i have to say the w7 is a good woofer. and did i not say Brahma 15? oh thats right i did. did i not explain why? yes they have like 35mm one way linear xmax (that is what i heard, you cant find true TS parameters worth a damn on the net. not even on JLaudio.com) thats nearly as much +- xmax as DD has suspension travel on their 9500's. and did i not say if they made a 15 i would like it. everyone is taking what i say in blowing it up out of proportion.
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02-10-2005, 07:51 PM | #50 | |
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Re: Avionixx, Cadence, jl which would you choose?
Noah..... yes i know that DAMMIT but in in optimum installs i think the XXX would take it...... they both have 32mm and i think the xxx has a little bit more cone area.
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02-10-2005, 08:37 PM | #51 | |||||
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Avionixx, Cadence, jl which would you choose?
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if anyone is paying retail for these things, then that person has the problem. Local shops everywhere down where i live has it WAY below $1000. 2.) $500 is 50% of $999 still cost more than a Brahma 15 and a XXX 15[/quote] 13w7 is not made to compete with the 15" brahma or XXX. Some random dude out on the interweb decided to stir up JL's biggest w7 against adire's biggest brahma and therefore led to the development of the 13w7 vs the 15" brahma. Quote:
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13" is plenty for a subwoofer. I don't see a reason why you need anything bigger unless you are going for a full ear bleeding SPL car. JL won't make a 15" because the design won't allow them to get what they want. There is a reason why they made the 13.5" and it not just to be different... I use to be a JL hater until I finally found myself trying out some subs. I have used so many JL products that many other subwoofers fail to fit my application. I would use the RE xxx, but box size won't allow me to use it. the brahma i might be able to use, except why would i need to spend money if my sub right now is doing fine? no hard feelings. I just wanted to defend JL audio for what they are since the interweb family does not respect them enough. EDIT: one more thing, the dd spec is 2-way as oppose to everyone else's 1-way.
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02-11-2005, 05:40 PM | #52 | |
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Re: Avionixx, Cadence, jl which would you choose?
no shit? really. is that why i said one way xmax v +- suspension travel?
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02-11-2005, 08:14 PM | #53 | |
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Re: Avionixx, Cadence, jl which would you choose?
Hehehe... I used to be into high performance computers, and we hardly ever got into fights about which processor was better, mainly because there were ways to test them head to head. I think someone should come up with a standardized car shaped room, and then try several different subs/amps/etc in it and see how they do. I know this isn't real world, but it would be a baseline on which to compare things to, and to see how your install compares to the "benchmark" trial. Seriously, 90% of the flame wars and debates here would be GONE if there was a system like this in place. We'd be talking all about how much better our installs are compared to the "benchies" and not debating which $700 dollar woofer can beat a $1000 dollar woofer because of suspension travel, cone area, etc.
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02-12-2005, 05:14 PM | #54 | ||
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Re: Re: Avionixx, Cadence, jl which would you choose?
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ok i'm really going to be an asshole on this one and say the 13w7 one way surpasses the dd xmax 2-way, by at least a good 5mm of travel. yes..w7 "almost" has more travel than a dd +- xmax. i'm done.
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02-12-2005, 05:18 PM | #55 | ||
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Thats why most people rely on T/S parameters where they are measured with very little power and in an open environment. That's probably as good as it gets as far as making things equal. but apparently, price has some affects on a subwoofer's performance according to many people.
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02-12-2005, 06:29 PM | #56 | |
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Re: Avionixx, Cadence, jl which would you choose?
how far suspension can travel and xmax (how far the motor can push it in controll) are not the same thing....
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02-13-2005, 01:23 PM | #57 | ||
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02-13-2005, 03:51 PM | #58 | |
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Re: Avionixx, Cadence, jl which would you choose?
he may but he tries to make me look stupid by putting words in my mouth. i said Xmax v suspension travel which is xmax v. xmech
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02-14-2005, 11:56 AM | #59 | |
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Re: Avionixx, Cadence, jl which would you choose?
actually thta would be xmax versus xsus.......juss tryin to be an arse..... xmech is when the sub cannot move any more because it bottoms out, spider crashes the top plate.......and those type of wonderful things. And it is possible to go further then the xsus seeing scottie johnsons MT's..... only problem is that DAMN surround rips and ya gotta recone (no I'm not serious about running subs till the surround rips)
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02-14-2005, 12:03 PM | #60 | ||
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