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Aha. Oh, and I did a google search of "Dennis Lee". Plenty of named testimonials by people who have been ripped of by him.
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As of October 2007 there were no names. I and many others have used that as supporting evidence many times, and a name isn't that hard to make up.
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Here's the outline so far: 1. A fraudster called Dennis Lee has a history of taking money off people with "free energy devicies". None of which has worked (because the earth isn't flat). 2. This same clown sells devices (snake gas generators) to take money of innocent car owning folk. 3. You are reselling and fitting these snake gas generators. 4. The experiment you've created to test your snake gas generator is bogus. 5. You appear smart enough to know the problems with #4 but haven't done anything about that. 5. You're trying to get free advertising in a forum which contains a lot of people smart enough to see your snake gas generator can't work. |
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http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Den...&start=10&sa=N Denis Lee, the one who claims to have invented all sorts of free power and magical millage improving devices is a crack pot. And you don't have to search far to find that out. But, as they say, there is one born every minute.
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Regarding No 6. We have rules about people trying to sell things on this forum with out express permission from the admin.
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#3, I have not yet sold nor installed one except on my own vehicle, but as they do work, what's wrong with that? For many people, the long-term savings are hard to see past the initial cost. #4, Please explain why filling the tank, driving "X" miles, refilling the tank (at the same exact gas pump so the shutoff point doesn't change and the fill neck is at the same angle), and then dividing the miles driven by the number of gallons used is a "bogus" test. #5, I might be an idiot with a thesaurus and a technical manual or two, you have no idea who I am. My decision on this will be based on your answer to #4 The second #5, possibly #6? I did not start this thread, and I have only answered questions. I have not encouraged anyone to buy anything, giving a link to information is hardly advertising, even if something can be bought from there. Quote:
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But you have made it clear are you are an agent, so can sell it, and install it, and you have made it very clear you are believer.
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Magic device No 1. The The HAFC Hydrogen Fuel Cell. Apparently draws only 15amps but can generate up to 70ltrs of Hydrogen and Oxygen per hour. As we all know it takes as much energy to split water in Hydrogen and Oxygen as it does to combine them. It has also been proven many, many times that the electrical system in a car does not generate enough power to separate water into enough Hydrogen to make even the smallest difference. Magic Device No 2 The HAFC Vaporizer "The Vaporizer contains 6 powerful magnets to help ionize the fuel and break it down into tiny sized molecules for easier consumption, a cleaner burn, and a more thorough utilization of the fuel. The radiator hose provides heat to pre-heat the gasoline as well" WTF? It has also been proven many, many times that magnetic fields have no effect on fuel molecules. Given the low iron content and stable nature of the carbon bonds that is no surprise really. Heating fuel has been shown to increase its ability to vaporise, which can improve efficiency. But engineers have known this for a very long time, and cars have been warming the fuel in the carb and in the intake since at least the 50s. I doubt pre-warming will have any noticeable effect. Magic Device No 3 The HAFC Optimizer Plugs into the missions control system on the car and teaches the manufacturer’s computer to operate the HAFC System to keep it from rejecting the savings. Again, WTF?? Last time I looked the ECU in my car was pretty dumb, its ability to learn was limited by its lack of AI. I can only think of one thing this box might do; Trick the ECU into running lean. It is well known that most cars are set up to run a little rich. When it comes to longevity from an engine running a little rich is better than running a little lean. Of course running a little lean is better for economy and performance. So you might get 1mpg improvement, maybe. But at what cost to your engines internals? Magic Device No 4 The Covalizer Had to be some snake oil in there somewhere. Apparently this stuff cracks hydrocarbons. What ever. And then we have the mother load of all bull shit things to add to your car. Magic Device No 5 The PICC, Pre-Ignition Catalytic Converter Total and utter BS. To begin with the normal catalytic converter on your car is not there to burn anything. It is there to work as a catalyst, to reduce the emissions of NO and CO, by turning them into less harmful N2, O2 and CO2. There is no burning of unburnt hydro carbons. Excess unburnt hydrocarbons will damage a catalytic converter, and a problem with engine management. It has already been demonstrated in this thread that breaking down hydrocarbons into shorter chains does not increase the amount of energy available, it only reduces the time taken to release that energy. This is not always a good thing in an internal combustion engine which relays on the controlled burn of hydrocarbons to work. And then there is this talk about plasma. What is plasma? It is known as the 4th state of matter. When break a molecule down far enough you start to separate the 3 basic parts of the atom. The result is not something that is going to be successfully passed through any cars fuel system, and into combustion chamber. The whole system, the whole idea, is simply founded on other peoples already mis proven bull shit ideas. A search for hydrogen producing systems for your car, and magic magnetic fuel converters, and magic electronic boxes turns up hundreds of results. There is nothing new, nothing original, and nothing that works.
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Well, they do work at one thing... getting money out of the pockets of those who got an "F" in chemistry
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Burning the HCs faster DOES result in higher efficiency. Most of the force downward on the piston ends by about 30-degrees after TDC because the circular motion of the crankshaft starts pulling the piston down (because of the change in angle between the connecting rod and the crankshaft). There are 360 degrees of rotation on the crankshaft between TDC power and TDC exhaust, and only the first 30 are powering the engine, and the mix is still not fully burnt after it's pushed out of the cylinder. If there are burning or unburnt HCs going into the catalytic converter, then how can you say burning them in the engine (especially as close to the first 30 degrees as possible) wont increase effeciency? You are right, plasma can't be passed through a vehicles fuel injection system. The PICC will have a replacement fuel rail and injectors that have a high enough flow rate to allow enough plasma into the cylinder. It will replace several parts of the fuel delivery system, hence the cost (expected to be several thousand dollars). You are also right that there is nothing new and nothing original, but you are wrong that nothing works. I also contacted my dealer, and I can give the cost of the HAFC, which is $1,050(US) plus $30 S&H. You must apply for a quote on the PICC before you can buy a HAFC though.
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If the device works, then what's wrong with it? You're still assuming it doesn't work based on flawless arguments such as "WTF it totally doesn't work, but whatever". I havn't heard such semi-coherent responses since highschool, and even then it was painful to hear. Now don't take this the wrong way, but you were arguing that liquid will burn, so I have a hard time believing that you came up with any rational argument for or against the HAFC, PICC, or anything else. BTW, I am still waiting for a response to #4 above, however I think I have concluded that you were indeed correct about the first number five due to lack of your response. I have answered every single question put to me, except for Moppie's inquery regarding what I am smoking, but I have answered every actual question, now it's your turn to explain to the world why such a test is "bogus". A shorter trip will show fewer miles per gallon due to the fact that it takes more energy to accelerate than it does to maintain a constant speed, meaning the further you drive the higher the MPG will be. That was the only possible argument I can see against it. And Curtis, I got B's in chemistry and physics because I never did any homework but aced the tests. And before someone points it out, I could have said A+'s so don't point out that not doing the homework was a lousy excuse.
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When water is split by electrolysis it forms H2 and O2 (hydrogen and oxygen gas). Using the letters HHO to describe electrolysis products puts you squarely in the "clueless" category. Quote:
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Also known as steam. It is still water, just in a gaseous state. It has very limited use in internal combustion engines. Quote:
It is also very poor out put for 1 hours worth of work. It is also a very long way from the 70ltr per hour claim, which we all know is impossible from only 1ltr of water. Quote:
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I can think of a couple, but they are all rather exotic. Guess what passes down the inlet manifold, and is attached to it. The fuel and the fuel injectors. Quote:
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Most modern engine management systems have an adaptive component to their programing. They constantly adjust fuel delivery and ignition timing to ensure optimum combustion, but with a bit of a lean towards being to rich, than to lean. They all work only with in limited parameters, but can adjust for a variety of different fuel qualities. For example pretty much all will handle an introduction of 10% ethanol, which because of its lower energy content needs a richer fuel mixture. More modern systems can handle even more, 15% ethanol is not a problem for many systems. Of course remember that they all tend towards running slightly rich by a few percent. Not a lot, but enough to keep everything safe. Of course this means using a little more fuel that might really be needed, and it is possible to interfere with the data being feed to the ECU, and trick it into running a few percent lean. The result could be a very small saving in fuel usage, but a potentially fatal end for your car. I get this feeling I am repeating myself.......... Quote:
And if you can provide some science to back it up I might be interested. But generally the heat and compression found in a combustion chamber is more than enough to do the job. Quote:
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All of this relates to one thing, speeding up the combustion process. A basic understanding of how an internal combustion engine works should tell you that is not necessarily a good thing. Currently they are designed to operate at a speed that is compatible with the current burn rate of modern fuels. Adjust that burn rate, and you start to get problems with pre-ignition, over heating, etc. A fuel with a high burn rate needs to be operated in a high revving engine, or else all of the energy in the fuel is expended before the piston reaches the point where it is no longer able to exert pressure on the crank shaft, and the crank shaft takes over. Ideally what we want is a longer, slower burning fuel. It is why Diesel is such a favorite fuel at the moment. It is able to exert pressure on the piston for a longer period of time during the combustions down stroke, and so more energy is used to drive the crank. You are of course right that in a modern petrol engine there is often periods in the combustion stroke where fuel is being burned longer than is needed, just like there are gaps where the fuel is not being burned for long enough. But that will always be a problem when you use a fuel with a constant burn rate, in an engine that operates at variable rpm. It is one reason why stationary engines are more efficient. Fortunately variable valve timing, variable ignition timing, and direct injection do a very good job of making up for the lack of variable burn rate fuel. Quote:
So even if these magic devices did work, and did increase the rate at which the fuel burns, there would only be an advantage to high rpm engine operation, and a disadvantage to low rpm engine operation. You can see where this is going I hope, I don't need to explain how it would actually have a negative effect on the fuel usage of the average car owner? Quote:
But of course you would not be advertising these things for sale on the forum would you? Your only letting people know that you can sell them, and how much cost
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