VTEC vs. SR20DE

[Morpheus XIII]

Good call, Chris. Once again, looks like some people really need to read before they respond.

The P12 Primera 20V's SR20VE (2.0L, 204 hp @ 7200 rpm, 152 lb. ft @ 5200 rpm, 11.0:1 compression) would be a nice match for the RSX Type-S's K20A2 (2.0L, 200 hp @ 7400 rpm, 142 lb. ft. @ 6000 rpm, 11.0:1 compression). Although horsepower numbers are almost identical, the Nissan's engine has 10 more lb. ft. of torque--and comes in much earlier along the powerband.

Only one problem: the 20V's SR should be next to impossible to find in the States.

[CHRIS200T]

Originally posted by Morpheus XIII
Good call, Chris. Once again, looks like some people really need to read before they respond.

The P12 Primera 20V's SR20VE (2.0L, 204 hp @ 7200 rpm, 152 lb. ft @ 5200 rpm, 11.0:1 compression) would be a nice match for the RSX Type-S's K20A2 (2.0L, 200 hp @ 7400 rpm, 142 lb. ft. @ 6000 rpm, 11.0:1 compression). Although horsepower numbers are almost identical, the Nissan's engine has 10 more lb. ft. of torque--and comes in much earlier along the powerband.

Only one problem: the 20V's SR should be next to impossible to find in the States.

Shit!! We get them all the time now.. We buy up the entire stock when thay come in. we have got 4 of them in the month..

[F20C]

Originally posted by Morpheus XIII
Good call, Chris. Once again, looks like some people really need to read before they respond.

The P12 Primera 20V's SR20VE (2.0L, 204 hp @ 7200 rpm, 152 lb. ft @ 5200 rpm, 11.0:1 compression) would be a nice match for the RSX Type-S's K20A2 (2.0L, 200 hp @ 7400 rpm, 142 lb. ft. @ 6000 rpm, 11.0:1 compression). Although horsepower numbers are almost identical, the Nissan's engine has 10 more lb. ft. of torque--and comes in much earlier along the powerband.

Only one problem: the 20V's SR should be next to impossible to find in the States.

While we are talking about K Series engine why not bring in the ultimate? JDM Integra Type R K20A (2.0L, 217 hp @ 8000 rpm, 149 lb. ft@ 7000 rpm, 11.5:1 compression). Think that's max out better think again because Honda has only applied i-VTEC on intake side.

[CHRIS200T]

Originally posted by F20C


While we are talking about K Series engine why not bring in the ultimate? JDM Integra Type R K20A (2.0L, 217 hp @ 8000 rpm, 149 lb. ft@ 7000 rpm, 11.5:1 compression). Think that's max out better think again because Honda has only applied i-VTEC on intake side.

Still the SR16VE-N1 beats out the K20A in HP/per leter and it beats the S2000 motor HP/leter.. Also a SR16VE head on SR20VE block (I want to try this and we are about to) but it should make close to 225 I am guessing.

Face it Nissan has built the highest HP/Leter N/A Piston motor for pasanger car.

[1989 DX R]

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[SkylinesKillAll]

sr20 for me

[F20C]

Originally posted by CHRIS200T


Still the SR16VE-N1 beats out the K20A in HP/per leter and it beats the S2000 motor HP/leter.. Also a SR16VE head on SR20VE block (I want to try this and we are about to) but it should make close to 225 I am guessing.

Face it Nissan has built the highest HP/Leter N/A Piston motor for pasanger car.

If I remember correctly SR16VE-N1 made 200 hp from 1.6L! The engine was not placed into a mass production model though. It's a limited produce high performance engine much like B18C. There is close to 10,000 S2000 produce a year. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to orange. If you want to compare special limited engine why not look at Spoon F20C? 2.0L 265 hp and c/r of 12.16:1.

Face what? You want to bring in a limited edition engine?

[Morpheus XIII]

Originally posted by CHRIS200T


Shit!! We get them all the time now.. We buy up the entire stock when thay come in. we have got 4 of them in the month..

Wow, you've got that many P12 20V SR20VE engines? Or are you talking about the P11's SR20VE engines? The P11's is a few horsepower shy (190 hp) of being a perfect factory competitor for Honda's K20A2, but either SR is great. Too bad the 20V itself isn't more of a real specialty car to compete with products like the Type-R; then it would have been equipped with much more than 204 hp.

[CHRIS200T]

Originally posted by F20C


If I remember correctly SR16VE-N1 made 200 hp from 1.6L! The engine was not placed into a mass production model though. It's a limited produce high performance engine much like B18C. There is close to 10,000 S2000 produce a year. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to orange. If you want to compare special limited engine why not look at Spoon F20C? 2.0L 265 hp and c/r of 12.16:1.

1st of all SPOON is not a Honda company!!

2nd it’s not a Factory Honda Prediction motor.

We are talking about factory production cars sold buy there companies. Let’s not get off the subject... If you want to get off the subject here we can. Nissan/NISMO Builds N/A 2.0L motors NON-VVL/VTEC with over just over 300HP.

[F20C]

Originally posted by CHRIS200T



1st of all SPOON is not a Honda company!!

2nd it’s not a Factory Honda Prediction motor.

We are talking about factory production cars sold buy there companies. Let’s not get off the subject... If you want to get off the subject here we can. Nissan/NISMO Builds N/A 2.0L motors NON-VVL/VTEC with over just over 300HP.

Please do tell how many SR16VE-N1 (just the engine) is produce each year. You were comparing a mass production car to a special limited edition one.

[CHRIS200T]

Originally posted by F20C


Please do tell how many SR16VE-N1 (just the engine) is produce each year. You were comparing a mass production car to a special limited edition one.

I believe there where 1000 Pulsar VZ-R produced with that motor in them. How meny more motors outside the car where made! I don't know for sure.

Spoon is not a Limited edition. That’s a custom motor. Spoon is not a factory built motor. toughs 12.16:1 compression pistons are probably a custom piston along with allot of other things in the motor like the cam and the head is probably ported & polished by Spoon.

Please stop trying to compare aftermarket tuners and passing them off as a production motor.

2nd of all.. the S2000 I beleve was a limited production car. I am sure the factory said thay where only going to make a fixed number along with the HYPE-R.

[F20C]

Originally posted by CHRIS200T


I believe there where 1000 Pulsar VZ-R produced with that motor in them. How meny more motors outside the car where made! I don't know for sure.

Spoon is not a Limited edition. That’s a custom motor. Spoon is not a factory built motor. toughs 12.16:1 compression pistons are probably a custom piston along with allot of other things in the motor like the cam and the head is probably ported & polished by Spoon.

Please stop trying to compare aftermarket tuners and passing them off as a production motor.

2nd of all.. the S2000 I beleve was a limited production car. I am sure the factory said thay where only going to make a fixed number along with the HYPE-R.

You do know that JDM F20C runs 11.5:1 C/R. Spoon sells a package that rise C/R to 12.16:1 etc.

I mention the Spoon engines because it was limited in quantity much like SR16VE-N1. You never compare apples to apples. You always like to compare apples to orange. Does Honda built a limited edition of F20C? If they do please do compare it. If not you have no valid judgement.

I call the 9000 something S2000 built last year very limited in edition. Not to mention all the other F20C engines Honda built. It adds up to well over 10,000 F20C engines last year alone.

Please where is your mass production SR16VE-N1? I don't see it anywhere!!

[CHRIS200T]

Originally posted by F20C


You do know that JDM F20C runs 11.5:1 C/R. Spoon sells a package that rise C/R to 12.16:1 etc.

I mention the Spoon engines because it was limited in quantity much like SR16VE-N1. You never compare apples to apples. You always like to compare apples to orange. Does Honda built a limited edition of F20C? If they do please do compare it. If not you have no valid judgement.

Please where is your mass production SR16VE-N1? I don't see it anywhere!!

Go buy one you can get them from the dealership in japan. The car is sold on the show room floor. Lets compair cars that are sold buy there companys on the show room floor.... Thats what I am trying to compair. Any produced engine from there rightfull owner sold as showroom stock. Not showroom stock to aftermarket such as your doing

[MugenCivicHX]

What about the honda motorcycle engines some of them produce in excess of 150 hp out of 1.0L or less and that is totally stock. Also the b16a isnt that good of an engine to do the compairing to as it is an old motor and is at the end of its life as most of the b series motors are. Here are 2 motors that are even better for comparison. The 260hp SOHC 3.2L v6 in the CL type s vs the 255hp 3.5L in the nissan maxima. nissan couldnt reach its engineering hope number for the HP with that engine.

[Morpheus XIII]

Originally posted by MugenCivicHX
nissan couldnt reach its engineering hope number for the HP with that engine.

The VQ35DE is still quite new. The upcoming G35 will have 5 more hp to 260 from the same powerplant. Wait for the VQ in the new Z. Most are predicting anywhere from 270-280 hp. Then you have the shrouded GT-R specs. Who knows how much power can be extracted from the VQ, if it does get the green light for Nissan's flagship grand tourer. As you can see, there is still much room for improvement for the 3.5. I'm not saying that the Honda motor doesn't have the same, but the Nissan's looks quite promising.

Oh by the way, the Maxima's 3.5 L has about 10 more lb. ft. of torque than the CL Type-S's 3.2 L, also important stuff (probably due to displacement, but numbers are numbers right?)