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12-17-2001, 08:34 PM | #46 | ||
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12-17-2001, 09:34 PM | #47 | |
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I cant believe this debate is still going.
Honda has been building VTEC engines for over 15years, (development started in the early 80s, and the first production motors came out in 85/86 in some Bikes). They have almost perfected the technology to a point that now every Honda production engine made comes with some form of VTEC. No other manufactor can make a claim like that. (except maybe BMW who in the next two years will be using thier new intake valve tech on all thier engines) As a result of this experiance Honda make engines with VERY flat torque curves, an almost unnoticable switch over point and have worked out how to match gear ratios seemlessly to the engines powerband. Compare this to Nissans attempt, or Toyotas and Honda is Years ahead, both only make limited numbers of engines with this technology, and it would be fair to say that neither have perfected it. (whitness all the compliants about the Toyotas VVTi-L powerband and mismatched ratios, and Im quite sure the SR16ve would suffer similar problems, you dont get 200hp from a N/A 1600cc engine with out sacrificing a lot of low end power.) If you want to make lots of N/A power from a stock engine with the minimum number of Mods, then I would always chose a B series Honda motor over an SR20DE. They come stock with more hp, have a much higher redline, with potential to extend it further, (a B16a is safe to 9,000rpm+ on stock internals) and will handle much wilder cams with out major alterations to the valve gear. Its also a lot easaier to get hold of N/A tuning parts for a B16/18 than it is for an SR20DE. (and dont even think your going to find a wide selection of parts and people who know how to tune an SR16/20VE ) If on the other hand I was planing on going with a Turbo then I wouldn't even look at a Honda engine, they simply dont take well to forced induction with out major internal work, and even then only a small number of people have done any real in depth resuarch. (I mean how many 700hp B18c's do you see? ) But I would seriously look at an SR20, Nissan spent a long time working on turboing this engine, and there are plenty of differnt turbo variants, which it takes to with great ease, and from Iv read in the G20 Forum much less work than a B16/18.
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12-17-2001, 09:39 PM | #48 | |
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As soon as someone can get me a skyline over here in the states then I will sell my honda
Until then, Honda it is.
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12-17-2001, 09:54 PM | #49 | |
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Yeah that is true but I have seen in the range of 30hp increases from the SOHC 3.2L type s motor from just a better set of headers on it. I am sure the nissan 3.5L has much room for improvement but it is still sad to see that they were advertising that it would have 260hp and then they couldnt even pull it off for that version of the engine. Also last time I checked the TL type s was faster than the new I35 from infiniti despite the higher torque. Once the 6 speed for the tl and cl comes out they will be killers that is for sure
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12-17-2001, 11:15 PM | #50 | ||
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I beleve BMW is leading the way as far as technology goes as thay have and still are developing Camless motors running infenit varable cam lift and deration & timing utalizing Silinoids to open valves. Quote:
ANYONE SMELL THAT???? I SMELL BULLSHIT!!!!!! B16A makes 113 ft-lb of torque the SR16VE makes 133ft-lb Nissans 1.6 VVL makes the same if not more torque then the 1.8L VTEC found in the Acura Integra GS-R's SR16 makes 105ft-lb of torque by 4500 rpm and climes up from there ! So the SR16 has a much wider power band then a B16. Shit the SR16 makes 90ft-lb at 900 RPM from idle. Thats not bad torque from a dead stop ether. So to anwser that question. No to get 200HP you don't have to sacrafice low end power. If anyone has done so it would be honda. Quote:
uhhhh how sure are you again??? I am sure that honda working with 15 year old technology most other manufacturers have made something better.
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12-17-2001, 11:57 PM | #52 | ||
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Hay its better then ford and what they did with the Cobra's They clamed 320 HP and in the building of the car they found the exhaust hung to low so they smashed the exhaust up under the car making the exhaust backpressure the flow and drop 20HP . Dyno proven and Ford Recalled all cobra's for new exhaust and a intake manifold problem that is now being extrude honed! At least Nissan was honest I give them that much.
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12-18-2001, 12:23 AM | #53 | |
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yeah that is true but still I would think nissan would have had an easy time getting that 5 extra hp out of a 3.5l
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Now since Hp is a function of torque it follows that an engine with 200hp will also have a higher peak torque figure than an engine with only 160hp at a similar RPM point. If you care to do a little resuarch you will also find the first B16a reached a torque peak at around 4,000rpm and maintained an almost flat curve right untill redline, the later versions in the JDM market improved on this emensly. Now would you care to state your references for the torque and hp figures of the SR16ve, as all the resuarch I have done on the net has show VERY little information on both motors, most of it is in Japanese language sites. Otherwise how do I know your not BS'ing me. and finnaly please tell me how many models and in what markets Nissan has used its SR..VE engines? and in how many models and in how many markets Honda has used VTEC, and then tell me how succesfull it has been?
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