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Old 09-01-2005, 11:46 AM   #1
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Topspeed record broken again...

Before you post: If this thread get's argumentative at all I will delete it myself. I have no problems with a good debate but it seemed a little to argumentative the last time around. Fair warning to all.

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AMS chief editor Bernd Ostmann has been the first mag tester that had the pleasure to ride 400+ in the EB 16.4 Bugatti Veyron at VW test course Ehra-Lessien...

For the metric challenged
402 kph is 249.9 mph
100 kph is 62mph
200 kph is 124mph
25 meters is 82 feet
1950 kg is 4299 lbs!
some impressions what he said about that day...

the track has been kinda damp in the morning, kinda scary at 400km/h, so 111m/sec without crash barries like in Nardo, well not really, rear wing setup to 2° so 40 to 50kg downforce at rear axle engineers promise that thisīll be enough for a smooth ride even on wet pavement...
through the first corner with 220 easily - absolute brutal accelerating up to 300 within seconds a light left hand bend with 380 - looking into the rear mirror - just an enormous spray but just like they told the EB16.4 is a very smooth car to ride even at that speeds...
the sepcial Michelin tires are working just perfect, they were tested up to 500km/h and before a high speed run they require 3bar pressure - this is one of the points the driver has to go through with a check list and a second car key to unlock the high speed mode - here the two front diffusor flaps are closed, the rear wing selects 2° and the body is lowered to 6.5cm front and 7cm rear a sepecial system is monitoring everything and when only one parameter is not ok the car automatically switches to handling-mode...
the first run ended with "only" 380km/h - the car switched to handling because the exhaust temperatures reached critical 970°C - cooling down the car at 220 or 5000rpm in 4th gear...
the weather gets better, itīs much warmer now and engineers force the AMS team to "act" - next run 398km/h - this time itīs the driverīs fault as he has enabled the A/C on the previous cooling lap costing some km/h on that fast run - so again a cooling lap and then full concentration on the last run with nearly 400 the rpm showed 5800 in 7th gear, now it shows 6200rpm at a speed of 402km/h ...

braking is again a new experience 31.4m (!!!) from 100 to 0 with a 1950kg car...

on the other hand acceleration is also outstanding - measured 25m long black rubber from all four wheels after the standard sprint with launch-control - result: 2.5sec to 100 and 7.3 to 200 :shock:

on a side note - at 400 km/h the EB16.4 needs ONE liter fuel for ONE kilometer so they calculated every 12min a gas station on autobahn when driving 400


With that kind of fuel consumption, gas prices really need to go down!
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Old 09-01-2005, 12:18 PM   #2
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Whilst I agree with Gordon Murray regaring Top Speed records being a little immature.

At least the Veyron is a full standard production car. And as such qualifies for the record 1000 times more than the 9ff Porsche 911. Which gets around the rules because all German Tuners are classified as manufacturers regardless of the fact its just another modified 911.
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Old 09-01-2005, 01:49 PM   #3
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Re: Topspeed record broken again...

Very impressive numbers, indeed. Awesome. Glad it's finally done.
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Old 09-01-2005, 06:09 PM   #4
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Re: Topspeed record broken again...

like GM said : Other Car needs Turbo to topper F1 performance ...
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Re: Topspeed record broken again...

The Bugatti has now achieved what it set out to do. I say it should be scrapped now. Its a pointless car.
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Old 09-02-2005, 12:09 AM   #6
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Re: Topspeed record broken again...

2 million dollars, 1 Litre = 1 Km at 400kms/h,

i rather buy myself an appachie, better looking, faster, more aggressive (real rockets), better fuel consumption. 2 seater too.
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Re: Re: Topspeed record broken again...

Top speed, top speed, how many Mclaren owner have reached the top speed of the car ?
How many of you have reached the top speed of your own car ?
The top speed in this case is more a marketing idea ... even it is a fact.

I think it's logical that a new car is better that an 10 years old one. But what is better ?

The Mclaren is a good car because it can be driven easily in town and fastely on the Highways.

We will see what the Veyron can do ...
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Re: Re: Re: Topspeed record broken again...

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Top speed, top speed, how many Mclaren owner have reached the top speed of the car ?
How many of you have reached the top speed of your own car ?
The top speed in this case is more a marketing idea ... even it is a fact.

I think it's logical that a new car is better that an 10 years old one. But what is better ?

The Mclaren is a good car because it can be driven easily in town and fastely on the Highways.

We will see what the Veyron can do ...
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Re: Topspeed record broken again...

Even if top speed is rarely achieved, the 0-60, 0-100, and 0-150 numbers are all things that just about all owners would use.

It's turbo, it's no McLaren, etc., etc. But it is cool in its own right.
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The turbo's I'd own as far as super performance...

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Wow, not much love for the two ton supercar in here. I can't imagine why...

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Wow, not much love for the two ton supercar in here. I can't imagine why...

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Well USUALLY.... SUPERCARS aren't 2 tons! lol
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Re: Re: Topspeed record broken again...

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Even if top speed is rarely achieved, the 0-60, 0-100, and 0-150 numbers are all things that just about all owners would use.

It's turbo, it's no McLaren, etc., etc. But it is cool in its own right.
I agree. Even though the top speed honors have become a marketing ploy as "jkbon" already said, you still can't deny that building a streetcar to go that fast is an engineering marvel.

Even though the Veyron is over-done, it's still a pretty cool car. My favorite part is the sweet interior.
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Re: Topspeed record broken again...

This car is even faster than the 402 Km/h the ams crew did in ehra !
A few months ago or so there was an official test under FIA regulations which was controled by the TUEV !
The car reached 405 Km/h in one direction and 411 Km/h in the opposite direction - which is an average speed of 408 Km/h !!
( source: present issue of AutoBild test&tuning )
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Re: Topspeed record broken again...

a road version porsche 917k can reach 400Km/h!!!
search the histroy ,proven that.... The LM spec


and another porsche hit 402km/h!

dauer Porsche 962


fact: those car wight around 1 tan and a big turbine boosting formula....
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