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Old 03-24-2003, 06:22 PM   #1
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Question Maybe the first new idea since nitrous...then again, maybe stupid

I am currently developing a system that would be used to attain power gains in 4-stroke engines and I want to know if you guys would buy this product or not. This will be (to the best of my knowledge)a completely new system unlike turbocharging, supercharging or nitrous oxide, but for the sake of describing it, it will be used like nitrous although there is no N20 involved. The system will be activated by a push button much like nitrous, only it will be refillable at one of many widespread establishments at an excellent price. Since this hasn't been copyrighted yet I can't go into the actual science of it yet but your input will get my ass in gear if you like it. This system will provide an estimated horsepower gain of 10-100 horsepower, but this is just a modest estimate, at this time I haven't done the math to prove this. A basic kit would cost anywhere from $300-900 canadian (depending on part cost). I know I'm starting to sound like a bad infomercial now so I'll wrap this up. Right now I have finished the theory and design of the first system, and I still have a few obstacles to get around, but if this sounds like a good idea, I will buy the parts I need and start to build the first prototype. Oh and installation would be relatively easy, if you can install a nitrous kit, this would be a cakewalk.

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Old 03-24-2003, 09:37 PM   #2
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ok i have no opinion since we have virtually no info. Is it a forced induction system? Is it bassically a nitrous with a different compound? Is it injected into the manifold?How hard is it on the engine?
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Old 03-24-2003, 09:44 PM   #3
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It uses the principles of forced induction applied in an injection system like nitrous, (heres where im tinkering with the plan)it can be injected before the throttle body to catch the Mass air flow sensor and the computer should be able to compensate with enough fuel to keep the air fuel mixture stoicometric. Or I could inject it at the intake manifold and incorperate a rising rate fuel pressure regulator to keep the mixture stoic. As for effect on the engine, it will be just like any other system, if used right without going lean it should be fine, but any crazy power increases would still be bad for the engine.
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Old 03-24-2003, 11:08 PM   #4
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interesting so it can both dry or wet shots. For now it really sounds like a nitrous system of couse we don't know enough details to see what the diferences are but for now i say go ahead anything new that we can use to improve performance is welcomed. Also sounds like the system is much cheaper that nitrous which is very good.

So whenever you are ready be sure to tell us more about the system cuz i'm sure evryone here is interested in new ways to improve performance.
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Old 03-25-2003, 05:36 AM   #5
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What exactly are you forcing into the engine?
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Old 03-25-2003, 07:39 PM   #6
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If you're planning oxygen injection, sorry, it's been proven bad.

Pure O2 is way too unstable in those conditions, the explosion would be huge.
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If you're planning oxygen injection, sorry, it's been proven bad.

Pure O2 is way too unstable in those conditions, the explosion would be huge.
yeah O2 wouldnt be the best idea, especially since it'll eat through aluminum like marlon brando at a chinese buffet, and the performance gain would suck if you had to run iron heads and steel pistons since your motor would rev slower then shit and the iron would retain so much heat you'd be stuck running 120 octane when you sprayed.
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Old 03-25-2003, 10:48 PM   #8
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Nope, not 02, worry not, the theory is sound, I already know bout the risks involving pure o2, it aint good. I don't know how much I can divulge about the way this will work because I know alot of you guys are pretty smart, and will catch on to the principles of it...dont mean to sound stingy here but I havent filed a patent. The theoery of this system absolutley WILL WORK, I am sure of that. There is just a couple things I need to work out in the way of parts...Maybe some custom fabbing of parts...I dunno. And the fuel metering still needs to be refined, but that isn't hard. One more problem I have just encountered is the fact that this system may need to run under high pressure, this is the only possibly fatal flaw...If I can not bypass this problem the system will be scrapped, as for how much pressure...Just doin the math now. But to make any significant horespower change it may need to run at very high pressure, and I am not sure if the components could handle that. Anyways thanks for the input, please keep it comin, I have started to assemble a kit so I can test out the problems with my hands (Im getting sick of math) but it will be far from complete and it may never be.
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i've done a mental run down of chemistry class, and i can't think of what else you'd inject.

just as an fyi, if you inject at the t body, that's pretty much the same as "at the manifold"

if you're referring to dry/wet style shots yeah, that makes sense.

we're all in the dark until you tell us what this magical stuff is.
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Old 03-27-2003, 01:29 PM   #10
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Well maybe that's why its really a new system. Sounds interesting so far...
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Hmm...there's alot of explosives out there that you can jam into a fuel system, but not a whole lot I can think of that require extremely high pressure. Sounds sorta like an inert explosive.

You can divulge if it's an explosive or not right?? Maybe a catalyst?
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I hope it isn't going to end up being water :apoke:
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Old 03-28-2003, 06:44 PM   #13
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... only it will be refillable at one of many widespread establishments at an excellent price...
Propane?
Air(not fully oxygen, but same as air we breathe)?

Can't think of much else right now...
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i don't know that propane works on gas engines, but it's used in diesel applications to the same effect as nitrous...

company called bullydog that makes propane injection kits.
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Hey, I dont have time to do a full post right now, but I am currently working out the math to see if it is possible to inject enough at a time to make a sizeable difference, maybe not. Thats the problem I am struggling with right now. I will post the results of my math asap along with the math itsself so anyone can double check it, at that point I will also tell you what I am planning on injecting because it will be evident whether or not this is possible and whether or not I am a moron. I dont know when this will be as I am REALLY busy with other things right now, Ill try to do this asap.
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