Lost to Acura CL types S

[MAXZIMA]

Did anyone raced that car. It is damn fast. Wow.

[Maximadave]

It depends on how well tuned your car is and how many mods you have done. So far I'm 3 wins 1 loss. Beat the 3 by at least a car length. It's a pretty close matchup. It all depends on the driver of course.

Maximadave

[MaxRX7]

those ARE honduhs right ?

[MaximumBrian]

I beat one on the road and freeway. There was on section around 90-105 MPH where it pulled on me, the rest I pulled hard especially after 120

[MAXZIMA]

You cant beat this car it has 260 HP and I drove this car. It don't matter how you moded your maxima. Anyone who has 5 speed, this car has SS with 5 speed. So please dont say that you beat this car, it is much faster, got better handeling, better torque etc.

Thanks.

[mtrai760]

I can beat this car with an automagic.... Pleeeezzzzz say I can't... Pleeezzzz! It's not that fast, too heavy and 5 speed auto, I've beaten two already. Its not hard with the right mods... I haven't been on the dyno yet, but I guarentee Ive got the HP and TQ numbers beat , so pleaz don't say it can't be done

Originally posted by MAXZIMA
You cant beat this car it has 260 HP and I drove this car. It don't matter how you moded your maxima. Anyone who has 5 speed, this car has SS with 5 speed. So please dont say that you beat this car, it is much faster, got better handeling, better torque etc.

Thanks.

[MAXZIMA]

Fuck that I got moded maxima, and I been driving for long time. 1990-2000 Stock and moded maxima, will never, I repead never beet 3.2 CL-S. Remember that. And lets all belive that. Get over it.

[mtrai760]

Don't let your slow car drag down everyone else! Come on over to So Cali or even better, WA, and I'll show ya what a Maxima can do. I guarantee an Acuara CL is not in the 13's, so what kinda smack ya talkin I'm making more power than a CL, so why can't I beat it? . BTW, I'm not taking this serious, so don't get offended---->

Originally posted by MAXZIMA
Fuck that I got moded maxima, and I been driving for long time. 1990-2000 Stock and moded maxima, will never, I repead never beet 3.2 CL-S. Remember that. And lets all belive that. Get over it.

[Frezny]

Not sure of exact numbers to each Honduh, but a Civic friend of mine claims that most Honduhs lose over 25% of HP from the crank to the wheels, due to the inefficient drive-train. So, based on that info, the CL is only making 195 FWHP (This is probably wrong, but it's a starting point to calculate CL-S performance). Curb weight of the type S is 3525 lb. Compensate the original 232 ft lb's off the crank with the drive train loss, and their only putting down 174 ft lb's to the wheels.

Now, take the curb weight of the Maxima 3010 lbs and the drive train loss numbers (I could be wrong but I remember Maxima's FWHP and FWTQ numbers to be like 165/175)

And estimate power to weight ratio.

CL-S: .0553

Maxima: .0548

With these numbers, the Max has the advantage off of the launch. His tourque is equal to that of the CL-S yet with significantly less wieght to move. The CL-S will kick in at higher RPM's and accelerate quicker than the Max.

Ultimately, the close numbers dictate that the race goes to the better driver.

Conclusion: A MODDED MAX CAN AND WILL BEAT A CL-S

[MAXZIMA]

BS.

[Frezny]

How can I argue with that?

[mtrai760]

What do you drive anyway, an acura? Why do you seem to care so much? Bring your acura up to WA and I'll show ya, anytime anywhere, the acura will NOT win. Please frequent the acura board if that's your car of choice, but save the flames for real BS, not a fact like a Maxima can beat a CL. 4 post and this is all you have to say? Get real.

Originally posted by MAXZIMA
BS.

[Frezny]

a CL and my Max (99auto SE). My GF's has the CL. Granted, it's not a CL-S, but before 5500 RPMs, they're the same car, except the S is heavier. Off the line, I take her everytime. To prove that it's not driver, we switched cars, and she beat me with the Max every time off the line. In the higher RPM range, I can feel her CL wanting to be an S and probably taking my stock (4spd) max with the Vtec acceleration, but it's still a race that goes to the better driver and better launch.

[MAXZIMA]

Hello? What the fuck are you talking about man? The Type S has a huge diference with CL-P it is 2 different cars. The 3.2CL Type S engine was tuned and modified until an extra 35 horsepower emerged from its aluminum block. The compression ratio was raised to 10.5:1. The redline was raised to a stratospheric 6,900 rpm. The fuel-cutoff point was raised to a breath shortening 7,000 rpm. And the threshold for VTEC™ activation was raised to 4,800 rpm. I raced my GF, I raced my GF.

All I am saying that I drove one of the CL-S. I had maxima for 5 years already. I had 1994, 1996, and now 2000. I know what maxima is all about. I was selling these cars, 2-3 every day. My Brother was putting mods on this maximas for 5 fuckin years. He did NOS, Headers, Intakes. ETC. HE is putting modes for CL-S now, and he said there is huge difference in performance compare to Maxima. There are huge numbers of cars that was coming back to the shop, because Maxima's transmission couldn't hadle the power that this guys asked for. Huge adwantage of the CL_S is VTEC that you can play with. He had Acuras that was pulling out of the shop with 330-340 HP. And he was able to give them warranty, because he has trast for this transmission.

So please I don't mean no disrespect to all of you, I am just trying to make you guy's understand that this cars are different.

[Frezny]

Never argued that the CL-S wasn't a powerful car, or just how different the S from the standard coupe are (the differences you mentioned aren't that more than what a tuner could do to the max, just you get the Type-S from the factory that way) It's some good marketing on their part.

You're arguing that a stock CL-S can't be beaten by a modded max. I'm saying that it's a close enough race with a NA max to warrent that a modded Max can win. If your brother has honestly been putting mods on Max's for 5 years, he should know that too, or maybe he hasn't put much on them.

As for the trannies... the I30's tranny holds up better than the standard Max tranny. Everything has it's treshold. Maybe the CL-S, with 260HP was made to take a level more abuse than the Max's, after all, the crank does put out 70 more HP.

Huge difference in performance is right. The CL was designed as a sporty coupe, the Max is a sporty sedan. The CL has an extra .2 liters to work with and Vtec. It is a higher output engine.

I'm sure he can tune a CL-S to put out 300+ HP, but that's not the discussion. If you wanna talk about who's car is ultimately faster than who's due to mods... it'll be a long conversation about nothing. There's always someone faster. There are 4 cylinder's out there that would woop on your beloved CL-S. But then again, it all comes down to how much money you've got. .

Ultimately, it's all about taste in cars to begin with. I like the CL. It's a nice car, with great power.

But I preffer my Max.

Don't forget to ask your buddy about the drive-train loss. After all, it doesn't matter what your crank churns out, it's what the pavement gets.

Not trying to flame you, nor start a flame war, but I believe that you're overstating the stock performance of the CL-S. eace: