srt4 vs cobalt ss vs rsx-s vs celica gts

[Polygon]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

Is that so? What are they replacing it with?

If they do though Dodge is going to be shooting themselves in the foot.

Yeah, they've been good at doing that lately.

[blakscorpion21]

tlkin about shootin urself in the foot toyota has went from the dominant japaneese sports car maker to wagon driving sissies. and for the dodge mini magnum why the hell is every car maker building theese gay wagons? the celica may have the weakest engine but it makes up for it in weight with acceleration comparable to the others. i would have to go
1 srt
2 celica
3 cobalt
4 rsx

[Andee_G]

chicha WHA?

half the people have listed the rsx as the best but wtvs...

[GForce957]

Originally Posted by Andee_G

chicha WHA?

half the people have listed the rsx as the best but wtvs...

what did u just say?

Anyway, alot of people liked the Caliber's looks. Its big enough to hold people's stuff, and gets good gas mileage. The fact that its ugly than Rosie O'Donnell to many of us doesnt mean it won't sell well

[Kurtdg19]

You know from those pictures the Caliber doesn't even look like a sub compact. Am I missing anything? I know nothing about it.

[kman10587]

They're doing the same thing they did with the Dakota - offer a compact vehicle with midsize-like dimensions. As much as I dislike that plan of design, it's a great idea. It capitalizes off of one of the biggest American misconceptions - bigger is better. Safety conscious buyers (and/or those with small genitalia) will buy it up in a jiffy, simply because it's bigger than the rest of the competition. No wonder Chrysler Corporation is still making a net profit off of their vehicle sales!

[nismo_power]

for a great all around car, i picked the rsx-s. still offers 200 hp for around 20 grand, and the new k series engines responds VERY well to bolt on mods. it makes a perfect tuner car (Which is why you see so many people tuning the rsx over the srt). say you pick up an rsx-s for 17 grand, and spend the extra 3 grand in mods..itll blow by the srt, and cobalt.

[Layla's Keeper]

That more people are tuning RSX's over SRT-4's couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that the RSX started production a full TWO YEARS before the SRT-4, could it?

Think about it for a second, of course there are going to be more tuned examples of a 4 year old car than a 2 year old car or a car that was JUST PRODUCED.

Not to mention the SRT-4 is leaving production at the end of this year. The last blast of the Neon's service life.

So the RSX is the longest lived of the three, meaning more of them have been produced, meaning more cars are available for tuning.

Meaning the argument that the K20's responsiveness to modification is the reason it's popular with tuners is bunk. Try again, skippy.

[kman10587]

I've never understood where these people get the idea that a high-compression, naturally-aspired engine designed to work with a complex valve timing system "responds very well to bolt-ons". Forced induction is out of the question unless you're willing to seriously bolster the engine, lower the compression quite a bit (destroying the whole point of the engine in the process), and run enough PSI to compensate for the loss of power from making the engine turbo tunable. And trying to get much more power out of an N/A engine that's already running 100 hp/liter is going to be an exercise in futility. It just makes me sad to see these poor ricers proclaiming that you should "buy an S2000 and slap a turbo on it" or "buy an RSX Type S and do some bolt-ons". Doesn't work like that.

[nismo_power]

Originally Posted by Layla's Keeper

Meaning the argument that the K20's responsiveness to modification is the reason it's popular with tuners is bunk. Try again, skippy.

it is very responsive to bolt ons. its a fuckin honda motor dude. read any magazine article or ask any serious tuner whos worked on any honda motor, and ask them how well the k20 responds to bolt ons.

[Kurtdg19]

Originally Posted by nismo_power

it is very responsive to bolt ons. its a fuckin honda motor dude. read any magazine article or ask any serious tuner whos worked on any honda motor, and ask them how well the k20 responds to bolt ons.

Well I guess that depends on what your expecting. If your expecting good amount of hp from simple bolt-ons like an exhaust, headers, and intake, then your going to be disappointed. Actually there is an article in Import Tuner Magazine that did such bolt-ons to a K20 motor in an Si.

http://www.importtuner.com/powerpage...vic/index.html

Net results: Before bolt-ons - 139.4 hp 126.4 tq. After bolt-ons 152.6 hp 127.6 tq.

So they got an astounding.. gain of 13.2hp and 1.2tq all for a measly $1513.00 (not including labor if you can't do it yourself). Now who likes to wipe their ass with 100 dollar bills?

It pretty much comes down to what kman said, its a small high reving engine. Its not going to get a whole lot more power with simple bolt ons. You would have to start tearing into the motor to free up more power.

[kman10587]

it is very responsive to bolt ons. its a fuckin honda motor dude. read any magazine article or ask any serious tuner whos worked on any honda motor, and ask them how well the k20 responds to bolt ons.

Yeah, well, I have, and anyone in their right mind with even a basic understanding of how engines, particularly compression and valve timing work, will tell you the same thing. The K20 found in the RSX Type S is not a very tunable motor at all.

[blakscorpion21]

you can get the turbo upgrade from mopar on the srt 4 for some insane power.

[GForce957]

Originally Posted by Kurtdg19

Well I guess that depends on what your expecting. If your expecting good amount of hp from simple bolt-ons like an exhaust, headers, and intake, then your going to be disappointed. Actually there is an article in Import Tuner Magazine that did such bolt-ons to a K20 motor in an Si.

http://www.importtuner.com/powerpage...vic/index.html

Net results: Before bolt-ons - 139.4 hp 126.4 tq. After bolt-ons 152.6 hp 127.6 tq.

So they got an astounding.. gain of 14.2hp and 1.2tq all for a measly $1513.00 (not including labor if you can't do it yourself). Now who likes to wipe their ass with 100 dollar bills?

It pretty much comes down to what kman said, its a small high reving engine. Its not going to get a whole lot more power with simple bolt ons. You would have to start tearing into the motor to free up more power.

Wow. That article was pleased with 12 hp for 1500. Thats kinda sad

[blakscorpion21]

very sad, stupid ricers.