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Infiniti Q45 41 75.93%
Lexus LS430 13 24.07%
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Old 06-03-2001, 11:06 AM   #1
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Infiniti Q45 vs. Lexus LS430

They compared these "Sensational sedans" in the July Issue.
The new Q45



Lexus LS430



Here are the factors they considered:

Performance, where the new Q got 6.5 second 0-60 time vs. LS430's 6.4. The Q45 is about 80 lb. lighter and has 340hp versus LS430's 290hp. They said it must be the gearing that made the Q slower. But they basically made a point that both of these cars are the cream of the crop and 1/10 of a second really doesnt make any difference.

Comfort, both of these cars are again, cream of the crop in this category, the engine sound of either car can not be heard at a dead stop or slow speeds. Amazingly, at speeds in excess of 75mph, the Q isolated wind noise better than the LS [they think because of the swoopier profile] but the Lexus controlled road noise better [I am guessing because of the difference in tires-
Q45: P245/45R-18
LS430: 225/55R-17]


Styling, the LS430 is defined by the classic lines of a European "saloon," a three-box theme that's elegant and unassumaning. Whereas, the new Q shouts "Look at me!" They noted that every design aspect of the new Q looks fresh and original except that the rounded taillights remind them of the Audi A6's. The editors seemed to like the Q's styling, but they said only time will tell if it's a winner.

Value, there was no contest at all here: Q45 beats the LS by a big margin : Over $5,000

Conclusion, what? Already?
To summarize their Results table, Lexus beat the Infiniti by 7 points in Performance in these categories: Skidpad, Braking, and Fuel economy. The Q beat the LS by 7 points in "Subjective Ratings" as they call it, Driving excitement, Engine, Handling, Exterior styling, Luggage space, etc.

So at this point the score is 362 vs. 362
And so the real winner was decided by the Price, $56,507 vs. $62,098. This gave the Q a 7-point edge over the LS430.

And thus, the final score was 562 vs. 555.

Infiniti wins.

So, is this the Infiniti era now? What do you think?
I am really worried about the 5.9 second 0-60 Infiniti advertised, and now R/T was able to squeze out 6.5. I hope its gear ratios, but who knows


Sound your opinion! Comon!
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Old 06-04-2001, 12:45 AM   #2
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Niether one is a Skyline GT-R so I'm not all too worried about performance on either vehicle, but you did bring up a good point.

Nissan/Inifiti does claim 0-60 in 5.9 and with a 340hp engine you would think "why not"?

When both cars first came out over a decade ago I thought the Infiniti line were butt ugly compared to the Lexus line, but it looks like either Infiniti finally got it, Lexus is starting to beat their cars with an ugly wrench or I'm getting old and less bitchy about looks. Nah!:finger:

Don't think anyone would be unhappy with either car, but if you want to twist my arm and force me to choose...............

OK I go with the Q45.

My reason's: Nissan is making a big turn around and my guess is with better tires and and a little adjustment with the gears it will be able to overcome it's few mis-leadings. Also again when these cars first came over from Japan, they were supposed to be a great alternative to the high end Europian cars at a great VALUE.

Lexus is started to join the price of the cars is was meant to replace. Still a great value true, but if you were going to spend $60K you have quite a few other cars to look at. For a starting price still at $50K the Q45 is a much better car.

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I like the Infiniti. Looks good! I'd like to see some pics of it's interior.
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Try checking out http://www.infiniti.com/docs/fr_q452001.html there's a virtual tour of the inside. Very nice
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This is kinda tough because the Lexus has soooooo much more prestige than the infiniti

but after seeing the new commercials for the Q45, that is my choice, and it looks soooo sweet now
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R&T probably didn't launch it very agressively. Its final drive is 1 thingie taller than the Lexus, so its quieter at cruising speed and goes WAY faster (150+ vs. 127)
I would take the Q any day, in my mind its far superior.

And when you say .02 cents, you would need 50 of those to get one cent. Just say my 2 cents, or 0.02 dollars. Nitpicking, I know.
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the Q45 is a great looking car it looks twice as good in person, nice wheels , interior and performance. Now the lexus is looking rather small and ugly, it still is good for comfort but in trrms of styling can we say avalon and hubcap look alike rims. I swear when i first saw the car i thought it had hubcaps
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I am currently test driving a Lexus LS430 for a few days, and it is without a doubt the most luxerious car i have ever been, including MB S-Class, Jag XJ8, and the BMW 750il. It has so many luxery features. The damn car even finds me resturants and gas stations.
It is also so much fun to drive. My car has ever option, so i have the ability to change between 2 different suspensions, Sport and Normal. The sport allows it to drive more like a European car, which i dont like (i have a mercedes E320 and i hate how it drives). I have yet to drive the new Q but from what i have read, it can't compare to the LS430.
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I like the Q45, and I hope it's indicative of the direction that Infiniti plans on taking its whole line. I really like all the voice command equipment. AutoWeek said it could recognize a real southern accent, but it couldn't understand a faked one. LOL:silly2:

They stole my idea, though. Sort of. They have built-in microphones that detect ambient noise in the cabin and adjust the stereo to be quieter it you're talking. Sweet! I won't post my idea. I still need it to get rich.

You can ask me about my urinal idea, though. If you're brave. I think that will be a differnt thread.
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Also again when these cars first came over from Japan, they were supposed to be a great alternative to the high end Europian cars at a great VALUE.
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Absolutely true. I suppose Lexus feels they can jack up their prices as much as they want, now that they have the customer loyalty and well known name. People who buy luxury cars tend to enjoy being pampered. Lexus owns the customer satisfaction aspect. Remember when their dealerships were voted #1 in the nation?

Also, people seem to enjoy seeing others of their kind on the road. I am repulsed by the fact that there are so many haughty LSs roaming around. I would much much rather own a Q--any model year. They have always been these different, comfy-yet-firm sleepers, and now they seem to be breaking out of their shells. I don't really mind if the Q45 remains in the shadow of the LS430 in the States. If I ever purchase one, I will be more than satisfied knowing that I have a very capable, UNIQUE performance-luxury car (I chose not to say 'luxury-performance', since the Q has always led class by power).
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I am currently test driving a Lexus LS430 for a few days, and it is without a doubt the most luxerious car i have ever been, including MB S-Class, Jag XJ8, and the BMW 750il. It has so many luxery features. The damn car even finds me resturants and gas stations.
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I quote you because I am utterly dumbfounded by the fact that you would select the LS430 over any of the other cars you mentioned, particularily the S-Class. Some of these euros can nearly double the sticker price of the Lexus, not to mention that they aren't in the same class. Who really believes that the flagship BMW V12-powered 2 ton+ aircraft carrier-like behemoth should be rated less than a japanese car built for alternative "affordable luxury"? Perhaps you are disillusioned by the LS430's interesting-yet-excessive gimmicks slewn throughout the cabin. Do oscillating vents really belong in a luxury ensemble, or are they just there to make people emit their 'oohs and aahs'? As for the advanced nav system, all japanese cars have the edge, due to their high popularity and hence, much more intense R&D in their homeland.

The europeans have already mastered the art of blending luxury with performance. Their creatures always raise the bar by spawning standard setting ideas and inventions, while keeping in mind that there IS a natural balance, even in a luxury car. Don't get me wrong, the LS430 is still an excellent car. I've even had the opportunity to sleep in a buddy's LS on a road trip, and I must admit it is much more comfortable than my own bed.

But it's nowhere as elite as the S-class and company.
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As for the advanced nav system, all japanese cars have the edge, due to their high popularity and hence, much more intense R&D in their homeland.
Almost all JDM cars have awesome nav systems built-in. Even the cheapo models. The top-of-the-line ones are incredible. Stuff like real-time 3D mapping from your car's point of view. Wow.
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I'd take the Q45 just for those headlights
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I still think that the Q's mutli-lens headlights would make a great spot to install a pair of vulcan rotary gatling guns.

Slower traffic BEWARE!!

Below is a shot of my evil uncle thefting an M61A1 cannon for use on my next Q45! Just messing around, of course.
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ah, morpheusxiii, which gives me an idea.

How about the Q45 for the next Bond car?
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