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Old 05-26-2004, 01:21 PM   #16
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Re: Subaru STI vs. RX7 vs. Lightning

Yeah, real smart first post...
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Re: Subaru STI vs. RX7 vs. Lightning

ya so i dont care
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Re: Re: Subaru STI vs. RX7 vs. Lightning

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A Mustang wont beat nor lose to the 2004 STi. The y are the same 0-60 and 1/4 mile. It's all about the reaction time and shifts.
What kinda Mustang? Year? Model? And I assume we're talking stock vs stock
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Old 05-27-2004, 10:23 PM   #20
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Re: Subaru STI vs. RX7 vs. Lightning

Ehh, A mach 1 mustang can keep even with a WRX STi, a Cobra.. That would just blow it away..With a good driver.
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Re: Re: Subaru STI vs. RX7 vs. Lightning

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Ehh, A mach 1 mustang can keep even with a WRX STi, a Cobra.. That would just blow it away..With a good driver.
Both are running almost the same numbers 300HP and 300ft-lbs of torque (the STi and the 2003 Mach1) The AWD of the Sti can give it a better off the line start, but greater power train loss. But the STi is lighter so I'd say it's a drivers race
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Old 06-01-2004, 05:08 PM   #22
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Re: Re: Subaru STI vs. RX7 vs. Lightning

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People give the Subaru WRX STI no props. The 2004 STi with 300hp i know for a fact is faster stock than a twin turbo Supra, turboed RX7's, NSX, Evo whatever, Skyline, BMW M3, and is as fast as a 2003 Ford Mustang Cobra. STi 0-60 is 4.4 seconds. a fact. G-tech pro doesnt lie! Proven many times.
Now your giving the STi too much credit. The fastest 1/4 I have seen an 04 STi did was around 12.9. That is the average time of a Honda NSX (JDM) model. Skyline GT-Rs are also known for its great 1/4 times. On Best MOTORing, most of the time NSX and GT-Rs run 12.8-12.9s on the average. The STi and Evolution are also capable of those times. Actually the 22B ran a 12.6, but that was with high winds.

Anyways, It depends on the driver and the condition. On the track they all about the same. Usually the NSX is the fastest out of those four, with the Skyline coming in a close 2nd.

I have seen a NSX- S Zero in Best MOTORing Roaring Vtec doing a 12.4 in the 0-400m.

I have also seen a GT-R R34 doing a 12.4 on cold windy winter day. I have proof of both videos but the R34 one is on a CD I burn and you can go pick up at your local Best Buy the Best MOTORing Roaring VTEC.

The STi on the average would do 13.2-13.4, will professional or skilled driver it is capable of high 12s- to low 13s.

As for the mustang comparo, it has been done before by a magazine. It was a domestic magazine if I remember, they said that the STi did as good as the Mustang Cobra in the performance field. Of course, both has its up and down, the acceleration and launch off goes to the STi and the top speed and roll on goes to the Cobra. Lets compare them by Car-stats.com

Actually Mach 1 Mustang would get rip up on the 1/4. Lets compare....

Car-Stats.com Report for 2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1
Obtained from MT December, 2002
0-60: 5.3 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 13.8
1/4 Speed: 103

Car-Stats.com Report for 2003 Ford Mustang Cobra
Obtained from C&D June, 2002
0-60: 4.5 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 12.9
1/4 Speed: 111

Car-Stats.com Report for 2001 Ford Mustang Cobra
Obtained from C&D July, 2001
0-60: 4.8 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 13.5
1/4 Speed: 105

Car-Stats.com Report for 2004 Subaru WRX Sti
Obtained from MT June, 2003
0-60: 4.9 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 13.2
1/4 Speed: 105


Those are the time. Im sure it can also be improved. No the Cobra will not blow the STi away. That time on the Cobra is amazing though, I give credit where credit is due. But the STi has 90hp less.
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Old 06-01-2004, 05:10 PM   #23
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Re: Subaru STI vs. RX7 vs. Lightning

I've seen Mach 1 time slip's and they ran a even 13...
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Old 06-01-2004, 05:20 PM   #24
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Re: Subaru STI vs. RX7 vs. Lightning

Wow, thats impressive. Then its as quick as a Cobra? Dont make any sense at all. I have heard that they run mid to high 13s. They are compared to 350z and S2000's arent they. From most of the magazines I have read and look through a 13.0 is not even close to what they ran. Are you sure it was stock?
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Old 06-01-2004, 05:22 PM   #25
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Re: Subaru STI vs. RX7 vs. Lightning

Yes, a very good driver in a Mach 1 is capable of a low 13.
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Re: Subaru STI vs. RX7 vs. Lightning

Well most places I read give the Mach1 mid to low 13's. Now in some domestic magz (usually the ones where the drivers are used and know every part of the Mustang) can run low 13's. But where I get my resources, it's a drivers race between the STi and the Mach1...2 great cars, but STi is still more affordable and cheaper on innurance
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Old 06-07-2004, 01:49 PM   #27
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Re: Subaru STI vs. RX7 vs. Lightning

True, I havent heard those times for the Mach 1s. Cobras run 12.9-13.1s, if the Mach 1s run low 13s, then why buy a Cobra? Mach 1s are cheaper too, so I dont know why anybody would buy a Cobra over a Mach 1. If there time is about the same.
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Pure stock:
The Mach 1 is only good for 13.6-13.9@102. I mean it''s only got 305 HP and weighs 3450. Forget the Mach 1 in this discussion. It's a joke. The 2005 regular GT will be much better that the Mach 1.


The 2003-2004 Cobra flat out totally smokes a Mach 1, Cobras have 390 HP fer cripes sakes, they run a traction hindered 13.0-13.3 @109+

Now...The STI runs 13.1-13.4@104 the AWD gives it an advantage of about .3 over a similar setup with say only RWD and the MPH reveal the actual HP of each car. Now remember an insane 5500+ RPM launch is needed to light the STI's turbo for those times, not the hot setup for drivetrain longevity IMO.

So in the 1/4 it's very close with the STI/Cobra... STI having superior traction and Cobra brute HP.

Now...out on the open highway a Cobra will smoke an STI BAD! First the STI's AWD not only is no help to it anymore, but it's actually a hinderance, the drivetrain HP losses are terrible at highway speeds for AWD.

What the Cobra really lacks is a chassis, the 20+ year old design make it handle like a wet noodle compared to the rigid chassis STI.

2006 or 2007 will reveal a new Cobra that will probably be a killer car, there's no Cobra for 2005 due to the total redesign of the Mustang.
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Old 06-25-2004, 07:20 PM   #29
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Re: Re: Subaru STI vs. RX7 vs. Lightning

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I've seen Mach 1 time slip's and they ran a even 13...
NEVER. Not pure stock. That's BS. Do the math, 305 HP, 3450 pounds, RWD, no way can one EVER run a 13 flat stock. Totally impossible.
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Re: Subaru STI vs. RX7 vs. Lightning

Cobras can do better that 13s stock. I have seen a stock one do 12.6s so I have no doubt it could destory a STi. The highway no chance for STi. Most of what 10.5sec92AWDTALON said.
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