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Old 04-27-2002, 09:42 PM   #16
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.. Bristol, Ultima, Ariel, Stealth.. just remembered those... and how could i have forgotten Noble, with the M12 GTO.. has anyone posted or heard of this car?
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Old 04-28-2002, 05:19 AM   #17
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I forgot all about Ultima! The others I have never heard of, post some of them under other cars please, I'm interested to know more about cottage industry car makers.
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Old 04-28-2002, 09:11 PM   #18
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The car with the wooden frame is the Morgan (the new Aero 8 is the exception)
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And great cars they are! Except for the 3 wheelers. Jensen still makes cars?

Please elaborate on others, though. I need educatezin'
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Old 04-29-2002, 07:38 PM   #20
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Those 3-wheeler Morgan trikes could, depending on which (motorcycle) engine was selected, be anything from 'a sporting carriage' to downright devilish. 90-100mph was not unknown but nor was the dreadful prospect of a motor seizure .. followed immediately by a forward roll into oblivion & death.

As for the 4-wheelers, apart from the incredibly harsh ride I've read many fawning articles, some verging on adulatory. Depending on your point of view it's either the (up to the 50's) 'flat nose' model, the rorty Vanguard-engined one, or Plus 4 etc which gain your preference. Personally the Plus 8 is hard not to covet. But there are also bitter admonishments of long-term Morgan ownership, specifically the wooden body frame which is made from Ash & secured by staples. Over time these work loose requiring incredibly expensive restoration. I spoke to a one-time besmitten owner of 23 years who, after his 3rd rebuild in under 70k miles of careful use, wearily pronounced them as an emotional yet flawed dalliance and vowed '"never again!'

Chris thanks for your correction but I am positive there's another 'major' British cottage car which was often mentioned as employing laquered plywood a-la boat-building techniques in its foundation, and thought it was the ancestor of this-shape Marcos? .. Any British enthusiasts help out here with this useless bit of trivia?
btw: notable to MarCos was Mike(?) COStin, whom I believe held influence over the British industry for many years.

Out of the plethora of small U.K. makers (eg Fairthorpe, Opus etc) one of my favorites would be Ginetta (spl?). One of their long-standing & very pretty road/race models (G-12?) resembles a nascent Porche 904/Ferrari Dino and was often powered by one of the world's best ever engines, the 4cyl. alloy Coventry Climax. This great motor originated from a design brief for a portable ultra-lightweight fire pump powerplant would you believe and found its way into everything from the Hillman Imp (I had an Imp 'GT', fantastic car) to being dominant in formula-class racing cars .. eg: fairytale of the little engine that could. btw: the still-in-production Moto Guzzi V-twin motorcycle engine originated from a WW2 amphibious landing craft engine!

To my mind one of the most quintessential British marques is Bristol. Evolving after WW2 from the highly regarded aircraft & aviation powerplant company (eg: Concorde uses a Bristol engine derivative) as a way to retain its aviation-quality workforce Bristol Cars still make some of the best engineered, finely crafted and most interesting of vehicles. Check out their amazing 'Fighter' V10 model at the above website, so aerodynamically pure no spoilers are required despite its 200mph+ top speed - compare this with the design compromises owners must endure on Ferrari F60 etc. A schoolfriend many years ago used to commute in his father's BRG-coloured 403 and despite being an early-50's model these still look like a spaceship to me. Check out the incredible lightness of line and aerodynamics for its era below, its Cd still competitive into the 80's! They were powered by the fabulous ex-BMW 328 (1930's model) hemi-head 6, interestingly obtained by Bristol through war reparations after 1945 and note the BMW-style grille. Later models have lost their way in regards to styling, but never their quality.

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Old 05-02-2002, 06:09 AM   #21
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Marcos Mantis

I tjink you will fill the multi coloured Marcos is infact an LM600, and not a Mantis, and it was raced by Calum Lockie.
Although Marcos do racin the Mantis GT in the it is basically a stripped down road going Mantis with an uprated engine.
To say that Marcos race is the GT series with some success is a slight understatement.
THEY WON THE SERIES IN 1996 AND 2000!!!!
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Old 05-02-2002, 12:32 PM   #22
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In FIA or British GT? I didn't watch the 2000 season, that summer was sort of a haze of partying a little too hard.

I live in Canada, and we get screwed out of most of the good races by the American media, who will actually cancel an important points race for some infernally hell damned stock car race! "lets saahhy whoo'all caahn hoohk up tha beest lahn at tha south'rn 5 hunn'rd"

I just make sure to catch Motorsport Mundial every week. EVERY week. We do have some good racing with the SCCA/Speed channel world challenge. Good racing there, really competive.

I was under the impression the LM600 was a derivitave of the Mantis, and they used the Mantis to clear homolgamation rules, but ran with a LT-5 based V8. I could be horribly wrong however, the announcers were always yakking about the newest restrictions to the vipers.

I know about Morgans, great cars. Tell me more about the new Jensens, and other fabulous sports cars they won't let us have over here
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Old 05-02-2002, 01:23 PM   #23
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little busy to be introducing those cars now... i think maybe the new jensen is in the other cars forum.... Farboud is also a very interesting car.. pretty much a copy of the 911 GT1 but not quite the same price
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Old 05-02-2002, 01:41 PM   #24
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Farboud eh? I'll look into that. Continue my CCI education at your whim please.
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Talking MARCOS

Well, actually the LM600 was a derivative of the LM500. The LM500 was initially built in 1994 to race in Le Mans hence LM. A few LM's were built for the road ( I am lucky enough to own one). Th racing LM's were not competitive with the 5 litre engines and were the re-developed with a 6 litre V8 ( LM600's). They one the British GT series. When the Mantis was built, mainly as a road car, it raced in the GT2 series, but was more of a uprated road car.
The LM derivative multi coloured GT car, then actually became a derivatice of the Mantara as LM were not being manufacture anymore.......confused yet.

Finally one of the posting refers to MARCOS and Mike COStin. Well not quite right sorry, The name MARCOS came from Jem MARsh and Frank COStin, who between them developed the first Marcos racers in 1958, raced by the likes of Jackie Stuart and Graham Hill. They were also the on British entry to finish Le Mans in 1966. ( Probably last but hey....)

Hope this is isn't to boriing and someone finds this of interest
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Old 05-02-2002, 04:14 PM   #26
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Not at all, continue. Nice cars... my project 968 will still cook any of them... except the race versions
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Old 05-02-2002, 08:17 PM   #27
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more comps.... lets see.. Strathcarron, they made motorbike engined (i think) small track cars that were a blast to drive but theyre broke now, the car was too expensive and no one bought it.... im sure theres more i just cant think of all of em!
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What about Noble? I don't know a thing about them.
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NOBLE M12 GTO

Turbocharged V6 (Ford unit)
2554 cc
310 bhp@6000 rpm
320 lbft@3500 rpm
0-100 mph 10.2 sec
1/4mile 12.8 sec

Britain's best sports car?
0-60 mph in 3.9 seconds, 160 mph - so said Autocar in pre-viewing their full road test of the M12 GTO.

Autocar continued, "The M12's standing start acceleration is only just on the comfortable side of sane. If you pay the right money there are faster cars out there. But only a few. But none matches the drama of the M12. At the price the M12 would be considered a fantastic bargain on its sprinting ability alone. And perhaps if that were all there was to it, every other specialist sports car manufacturer with a product hovering around the mid - 40 grand mark could settle down for a solid night's slumber. But the M12 is more than merely quick. Isolate this machines two most crucial tasks, delivering straight - line performance and cornering ability and its difficult to say which it does better.

In short the Noble M12 is blessed with a peach of a chassis. Perhaps this cars most astonishing feature is outright grip. Mechanical grip in the dry is staggering and I have never driven a road car with stronger wet weather adhesion. It truly is astonishing."

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Old 05-04-2002, 10:08 PM   #30
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Nice indeed. I prefer the Cerbera, I need a 2+2 for a daily driver. How much does it cost? I saw "mid 40 grand", and I assume that is pounds.
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