Automotive Forums .com - the leading automotive community online! Automotive Forums .com - the leading automotive community online!
Automotive Forums .com - the leading automotive community online! 
-
Latest | 0 Rplys
Go Back   Automotive Forums .com Car Chat > Honda > Let's get Technical!
Let's get Technical! Discussion for hardcore in-depth motor heads!
Reply Show Printable Version Show Printable Version | Email this Page Email this Page | Subscription Subscribe to this Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-01-2005, 10:43 PM   #16
turboEKhatch
AF Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Los Santos, California
Posts: 259
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: Re: Re: b16a/b vs b18b/c vs h22/23 vs b20 FAQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94CIVICDXTuner
would a k20 drop right into a 94 civic dx? I want a new engine with lots of HP that would drop right in with little or no difficulties.
Way, way over your head. I helped do this on a friends car, it is entirely past a beginners ability.
turboEKhatch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2005, 09:12 PM   #17
88integra
AF Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: maitland, Florida
Posts: 7
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
What is the best performance route to take for increasing performance? I heard that this car has the USDM equivalent of a ZC, so should it be a good choice because how the car handles does matter to me. I am making it a sleeper so it should be silent.
88integra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2005, 11:21 PM   #18
civichatch982
AF Newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 38
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: b16a/b vs b18b/c vs h22/23 vs b20 FAQ

k20 .. no way in hell man .. its takes all kinds o fspecial mounts to get that thing to fit, its completely backwards. any b series will drop right in and an h series will drop in with new mounts. K and F series are the more powerful engines .. but its really difficult to get them in .. you reall yhave othave alot of time on your hands and alot of know how to get it to work. I suggest a b18c1 or b18c5 Gs-R or integra type- rengine, the Gsr has probably the most bang for the buck plus a little added torque that everyone seems to just love.
civichatch982 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2005, 12:00 AM   #19
CivicSpoon
There is no Spoon
 
CivicSpoon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: CNY, New York
Posts: 6,941
Thanks: 286
Thanked 223 Times in 185 Posts
Re: Re: b16a/b vs b18b/c vs h22/23 vs b20 FAQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by civichatch982
K and F series are the more powerful engines .. but its really difficult to get them in...
The F-series motors go in with the special H-series mounts. Unless you're refering to the S2000 motor.
CivicSpoon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2005, 01:55 PM   #20
Team_infamous
AF Newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Posts: 1
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Send a message via AIM to Team_infamous
ZC in a 92

I was wondering if i should to a ZC into a 92 integra shell or wait and get the b16 block to do the mini me swap?
Team_infamous is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2005, 03:11 PM   #21
H22a_egyptian
AF Newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan
Posts: 1
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Send a message via AIM to H22a_egyptian
Re: b16a/b vs b18b/c vs h22/23 vs b20 FAQ

No, a K20 would not drop right in, this is still a fairly experimental engine swap, it'll work but I don't think it's what you're looking for. The B16a3 out of a Del Sol VTEC would be a pretty straight forward swap with decent power. If not...B18a turbo, mmmm...
H22a_egyptian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2005, 10:39 PM   #22
civics4L
AF Newbie
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: middletown, New York
Posts: 58
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Send a message via AIM to civics4L Send a message via Yahoo to civics4L
i got problems with my crx si

im wondering what engine can i put into my 87crx si i was goin to put a 90 integra b18 into there or go with a zc motor what do you think i should run with and this summer im trying to spank serious butt!
civics4L is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2005, 06:00 PM   #23
94tegRS
AF Enthusiast
 
94tegRS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: playa mexico
Posts: 2,958
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Re: ZC in a 92

Quote:
Originally Posted by Team_infamous
I was wondering if i should to a ZC into a 92 integra shell or wait and get the b16 block to do the mini me swap?
a ZC into a 92 integra is a big waste of time in my eyes. go from a 1.8 to an older 1.6?

and a mini me is a SOHC VTEC head on a d series block. and no frank uses the B16 block, it uses the B16 head(or another B series VTEC head) and a larger displacement block from a B18/B20 non vtec block.

if you are gonna build a frank I would go B20, I have a non vtec B20(11:1) in my hatch for a while and I loved it, now a vtec head is going onto it, cant wait. but that torque is so awesome, cruising at 1500 and just give it a bit of gas and itll pull you right up hills easy, no more downshifting to 3rd like you do with those little D15's and not even 4th like some B series. Im not claiming it PULLS that low because it doesnt but it has enough power that you arent always downshifting to pass or cruise up steep hills.

the top end of VTEC on the B20 would just be insane I bet too. so theres what I vote, but for a cheap swap that will give your car some decent power, Id just go with a B16 longblock, buy a OBD1 VTEC ECU off ebay or something, modify the stock harness. you use your tranny and axles and everything, so under 1G you got a B16, wont be as quick cuz your gears are longer than what usually is mated to a B16 but on the freeway youll get good milage cuz youll be sitting low in the ravs at 65-70.

and for the rex, if you wanna smoke people go B18C, if you wanna be pretty quickk and beat lightly modded newer tegs/civics then B18 would be good, ZC still pushes a CRX along good but I saw a race between a 15.5 second teg and a ZCRX with same boltons and it was still in favor of the teg but barely.
__________________
current
-84 datsun 720 4x4(2nd time)-93 accord-90 camry V6-90 warrior-94 300ex
history:
-01 R1-04 daytona 600-94 teg RS-95 teg LS
-91 teg RS-92 teg GSR-94 civic CX hatch (3 times)
-94 civic DX-96 civic HX-97 Accord LX-72 superbeetle
-74 beetle-84 silverado-66 c10-74 maverick-78 280z
-84 200sx-86 tercel wagon-95 mustang V6
94tegRS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2005, 03:15 PM   #24
civics4L
AF Newbie
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: middletown, New York
Posts: 58
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Send a message via AIM to civics4L Send a message via Yahoo to civics4L
Re: b16a/b vs b18b/c vs h22/23 vs b20 FAQ

is it true that the frankenstin only revs out to 6.5k or thats not true and if its not then how much does it rev up too
civics4L is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2005, 03:37 PM   #25
crv-tec
AF Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Tucson, Arizona
Posts: 362
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: b16a/b vs b18b/c vs h22/23 vs b20 FAQ

Anybody know why the second gen b16 was able to get 10 more horse then the first?
__________________
'nuff said
crv-tec is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2005, 02:02 AM   #26
afaccord
AF Newbie
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: athens, Georgia
Posts: 7
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: Re: Re: b16a/b vs b18b/c vs h22/23 vs b20 FAQ

NEED HELP! I am new at modifying hondas. I have a 99 accord vtec v6 3.0 and am looking for a good ecu to install. Does anyone think a skunk2 p30 b16 OBD1 with a OBD2-OBD1 harness would work?
afaccord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2005, 05:36 PM   #27
94tegRS
AF Enthusiast
 
94tegRS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: playa mexico
Posts: 2,958
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Re: b16a/b vs b18b/c vs h22/23 vs b20 FAQ

haha, why do you want a new ECU? first of all the B16 is a 4 cylinder so I give you a .00000000000000000000000000000001% chance the P30 is gonna control 6 injectors. find some kind of engine management that fits your application and get that, not just throw in a older honda 4 cylinder ECU and prey.

and about that percentage I gave you, it was for show, you wont even be able to get the ECU to see all 6 injectors. about the franks revving to 6.5k and thats all, slap whoever told you that in the face and then spit on em. depends on what head you got. any head you could get will let you rev past 6.5k, better built head wil handle more revs, there is a point where you shouldnt rev the block past but if its beefed up it can handle more and even stock redline isnt til 6800 right? and fuel cuts probably like 7000, so honda saw no problem letting the block rev past 6.5k.

about why the JDM B16's have the 10HP more, only thing I know is the compression difference. maybe a different cam profile or something but I dont think so. could be though.
__________________
current
-84 datsun 720 4x4(2nd time)-93 accord-90 camry V6-90 warrior-94 300ex
history:
-01 R1-04 daytona 600-94 teg RS-95 teg LS
-91 teg RS-92 teg GSR-94 civic CX hatch (3 times)
-94 civic DX-96 civic HX-97 Accord LX-72 superbeetle
-74 beetle-84 silverado-66 c10-74 maverick-78 280z
-84 200sx-86 tercel wagon-95 mustang V6
94tegRS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2005, 12:26 AM   #28
afaccord
AF Newbie
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: athens, Georgia
Posts: 7
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
thanks, like i said I am new at this. I am going to have to do more research before i do anything to my car. what all new parts would i need if I buy a supercharger?
afaccord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2005, 04:57 PM   #29
94tegRS
AF Enthusiast
 
94tegRS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: playa mexico
Posts: 2,958
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Re: b16a/b vs b18b/c vs h22/23 vs b20 FAQ

well, if you get a supercharger for your car, most likely it will come with all the necessary parts you ned to install it. should also come with some cheap sort of fuel management. you could get things like air/water cooler for some more power or get a set of guages to monitor your new power but the kit itself should have all belts/pullies/pipes/charger/etc...
__________________
current
-84 datsun 720 4x4(2nd time)-93 accord-90 camry V6-90 warrior-94 300ex
history:
-01 R1-04 daytona 600-94 teg RS-95 teg LS
-91 teg RS-92 teg GSR-94 civic CX hatch (3 times)
-94 civic DX-96 civic HX-97 Accord LX-72 superbeetle
-74 beetle-84 silverado-66 c10-74 maverick-78 280z
-84 200sx-86 tercel wagon-95 mustang V6
94tegRS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2005, 07:33 PM   #30
civichatch982
AF Newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 38
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: b16a/b vs b18b/c vs h22/23 vs b20 FAQ

agreed... the only thing I'd possibly look into is cooling the air going in there via air to air or water cooling like he said. Possibly upgrade the fuel managment system with tunable ecu upgrades (hondata, uberdata, etc.) fuel pump and injectors if those arn't in there .. cause your little missing link and raising rate fuel preasure regulator just dont cut it all that well .. makes power but its not the most relyably thing in my mind. injectors are pretty much a must if they arn't included because stock honda injectors already run at pretty much peak duty.

hopefully I helped a little
civichatch982 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

POST REPLY TO THIS THREAD

Go Back   Automotive Forums .com Car Chat > Honda > Let's get Technical!

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:26 AM.

Community Participation Guidelines | How to use your User Control Panel

Powered by: vBulletin | Copyright Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
 
 
no new posts