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Old 03-04-2005, 06:07 PM   #1
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Fuse Diagrams 1988 Premier

I'm having a couple problems with my 1988 Eagle Premier LX..

The speedometer doesn't work, the windshield wipers dont work and some of the lights on the dash dont work.. I want to check the fuses and see if thats the problem, but I don't know what goes where..

I need a fuse diagram.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 03-05-2005, 04:13 PM   #2
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Re: Fuse Diagrams 1988 Premier

K, Mine's an '89, but it should be the same.

As you look at the fuse panel [remember it is mounted in a way that you have to sort of view it from the driver's seat heading toward the firewall]

Anyway from that viewpoint, starting at the top of the block, looking at the Farthest R hand fuse closest to you and then looking down the rows towards the firewall~~~~~~~~

Circuit Breakers
1 6 11 16
N/A N/A N/A Rear Defog Headlamp

2 7 12 17
Heat Auto Stop Interior PowerSeats
A/C Trans Turn Lamps PowerLocks
TripComp Hazard
Rem. Mirrors
Radio
Chime
Clock

3 8 13 18 APS
Backup TripComp Panel Horn
Monitor Illum. Stop
RearDefog Lamp
Backups Switch
Clock
Ignition

4 9 14 19 Wiper
Vanity Lamp Panel APS Washer
Lamp Control Illum.
Clock

5 10 15 20 Power
Radio Heater Cluster Stop Windows
Cigar Cluster Turn
Lighter

Now, as you view the block itself, think of this diagram as the L side of this diagram pointing up and towards you, and the R side of this diagram pointing down and away from you.

#'s 2, 19 are live battery feed fuses, always live.

#'s 8, 9 are only active with ignition on [but not necessarilly running].

Hope this helps a bit, the3 block has to be in the most inconvenient place and is damn hard to read.
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Old 03-05-2005, 06:05 PM   #3
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Re: Fuse Diagrams 1988 Premier

Well, apparently the forum wouldn't support the method I used, But there are 4 fuse openings per row, immediately followed by a circuit breaker can.
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Old 03-05-2005, 06:13 PM   #4
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Re: Fuse Diagrams 1988 Premier

F it, first row is N/A N/A N/A Rear defog, the breaker is Headlamp.

Second row is heat,A/C Rem. mirrors, Radio, clock
2nd fuse is Auto Trans, 3rd is stop-turn-hazard, 4th is Interior lamps, breaker is powerseats/locks

Third row is Backups, 2nd fuse is tripcomp, monitor, Rear Defog, backups, clock, 3rd fuse is Panel Illumination, 4th is horn,Stoplampswitch, the breaker is APS

Fourth row is Vanity lamps, 2nd fuse is lamp control, 3rd is panel illumination and clock, 4th is APS, the breaker is wiper/washer

Fifth row is radio/cigar lighter, 2nd fuse is heater cluster, 3rd fuse is cluster[panel lighting], 4th is stop/turn and the breaker is power windows.
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thanks alot man, it's much appreciated, yeah the damn fuse box is in the most inconvienient place for sure.
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Old 03-05-2005, 09:30 PM   #6
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Re: Fuse Diagrams 1988 Premier

i checked it out, it's not the problem, i gotta get a motor for the windshield wipers.
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Old 03-24-2005, 09:32 AM   #7
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Re: Re: Fuse Diagrams 1988 Premier

I've got a '90 Premier ES. Wipers aren't working. I turn on the switch and can hear a click coming from behind the glovebox. Do you know where the wiper relay is located? The underhood relay cover is missing plus the passenger-side underdash relay cover contains no legend, so I can't identify any relays. I figure I should try replacing the relay before the wiper motor, unless you think the clicking indicates that it's working.
Another problem is an ignition short. It usually works fine, but this problem frequents when the engine is warm. All the bells and whistles will work when the key is turned, but the starter won't even click. Luckily, turning the key repeatedly or slamming the hood has gotten it to turn over. Before replacing the starter (looks difficult to access when I'm changing the oil), is there a starter relay or other easy culpret?
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Old 03-24-2005, 05:45 PM   #8
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Re: Fuse Diagrams 1988 Premier

Weaver, hang tight, I have the relay diagram for ya, but ya have to wiat a day until I can text it up for ya
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Old 03-24-2005, 05:49 PM   #9
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Re: Fuse Diagrams 1988 Premier

but, initially one of a few things happened re the wiper.

First, does the regular low-high work? If so, not likely the switch itself.

Second, since ya hear a click, the relay is problemming on ya, ya should never hear a click from a good relay.

Third, I 'll point the relay box out to ya ASAP.
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Old 03-25-2005, 05:51 AM   #10
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Re: Fuse Diagrams 1988 Premier

Relay panel, under glove box area of dash



TOWARDS PASSENGER SEAT
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Old 03-25-2005, 05:56 AM   #11
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Re: Fuse Diagrams 1988 Premier

Relay panel, under glove box area of dash



TOWARDS PASSENGER SEAT

E D C B A
not used HiBeam LoBeam RearDefog power antenna

F G H J K
not used horn radiolamp parkinglights not used

TOWARDS ENGINE

As ya can see, no relay for wipers at that location. However, there is a circuit breaker for the wipe-wash, small silver plug in rectangular can.

Location, fuse panel, see my text earlier this thread to find out which one it is

GL, Tam
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Old 03-25-2005, 05:05 PM   #12
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Re: Fuse Diagrams 1988 Premier

Re the starter, since it seems slamming hood or key jiggling does the trick, one of two or three possibles,

And, yeah, the starter is a bear placement, sigh

Anyhoo'

Check the wires at the starter, ensure clean and tight connection

Check the wires for any worn insulation that exposes wires to a ground.

Starter itself may be toasting. check starter by~~~

1 ensure battery is in good condition
2 disable ignition, by unpluggingcoil pack, either pull the wiring plug harness off, or pull the coil wire AT BOTH ENDS
3 voltmeter btween battery positive terminal and starter B+ circuit, I can only tell ya there should be a red and green/white wire, which may be B+, no idea. But the red wire is direct from battery to starter [+] terminal. The green/white, finally lands after the starter relay, which is fed of the ignition switch, grren wire from ignition to starter relay, but again no idea where the relay is [expect it under dash]

Be watchful, the starter relay diagram shows a branch of the grn/wht wire out of the starter relay to both the starter itself and the ECM.

Nutshell, from the two starter wires at starter heading out

Red wire goes direct to battery
Grn/wht goes direct to starter relay, wherever it is, and a grn/wht wire branches back from relay to the ECM [under passenger dash]
from relay up, one green wire to the ignition switch itself, re the starter activation.

voltmeter at + battery terminal and one of the two starter wires [B+] circuit. since the red wire is direct and voltage is measured across + -, I presume it is the grn/wht wire at the starter. I may be wrong!!!!!

Ignition key to start only position, should see less than 0.5V, if more, then problem in starter cable or starter ground.

Voltmeter at Battery + terminal and starter M circuit, again peekaboo with which starter wire, ignition START only, if V is 0.5 or above, replace starter.

Either wire at starter showing 0.5 V or more
at START only, it your starter or starter cables.

Wanna talk about your neutral start-switch, LOL?? ayep, it in the mix too.

I hope this may help somewhat
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Old 03-25-2005, 05:08 PM   #13
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Re: Fuse Diagrams 1988 Premier

Oh, also check strter ground , ensure it tight against flywheel housing, and same for any grounding wire that threads off starter [although diagram doesn't show one]
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Old 03-25-2005, 05:09 PM   #14
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Re: Fuse Diagrams 1988 Premier

also, look for a red separate wire from Batt. + terminal heading to starter, ensure the batt. connection is solid and tight
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:10 AM   #15
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Re: Fuse Diagrams 1988 Premier

Thanks for the detail, and sorry for not getting back on here sooner (my home computer is cr*p, so I have to use work when time allows). The wipers won't work in any switch position but the washer squirts, so I assume I'm definitely looking at a relay or motor instead of the circuit breaker. Since the relay apparently isn't in the underdash relay cluster, it must be somewhere by its lonesome within the glovebox area. Do you know if it's common for relays to not be in cluster boxes? Just hope to avoid a wild goosechase, but that clicking is very definite.
I'm up for an oil change soon, so I'll look more carefully at the starter wiring while I'm under there. Have you actually replaced the starter on your Premier? If so, how involved was it?
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