What counties have the best Automakers?

[crayzayjay]

absolutely... the japanese have zero-emotion cars

[Stefanel1]

some american cars too...
ouh, we'll have lot of troubles with other people (Americans !) on this forum !!!

[crayzayjay]

If theyre not willing to be honest, its not my problem.

American cars are for the most part void of any emotion...

[CopperHed210]

I think Italy,Germany and America make the best.But my vote goes to America becuase my favorite cars are Cadillacs.

[Stefanel1]

some Cadillac are nice... but that's not enough to be a good car.

[Moppie]

Originally posted by crayzayjay
absolutely... the japanese have zero-emotion cars

I used to think exactly the same thing, but then I got drive quite a few of them.

Its certianly true for a large percentage of the cars that come out of Japan, but there are plenty of cars that have just as much chracter and emotion when driven as any British or Itilian car.

[crayzayjay]

Name 'em

[CopperHed210]

some Cadillac are nice... but that's not enough to be a good car.

I don't think you know what your talking about.Cadillac makes some of the best cars in the world.Besides looking great they have just about every option a Rolls Royce has and they ride like a dream.Infact Cadillacs have some options that Royce doesn't such as night vision.So if not Cadillac what do you consider to be a good car?

[CopperHed210]

some Cadillac are nice... but that's not enough to be a good car.

You must be a sick and demented human being.Cadillac make some of the best cars on earth.Cadillac competes with some of the best luxery automakers in the world such as Mercedes and Bently.Cadillacs have great looks and every option any other luxery car has and some options some others don't have such as night vision and a great ride.Also very powerful engines.What do you consider to be a "good car" if not Cadillac?

[Stefanel1]

I understand that you like Cadillac because you're american, you have to defend this make.
It's not a bad make. But you can't say that it's as good as a Rolls, a Bentley, a BMW, etc. I'm sorry. And, just a question : why do we see Mercedes, Rolls, Audi all arround the world, and Cadillacs only in North America ? Drive a Cadillac and a BMW 7 series, and you'll see that the first can't compete. I cant' hope driving a Cadillac on little roads as fast as with a BMW or a Peugeot, Alfa, etc. etc. (with the same size).

Cadillacs do have qualities, but not technically at all.

[Moppie]

Originally posted by crayzayjay
Name 'em

Honda Civic all RS and SiR models from 1974-2000
Type R Civic and Integra.
Honda Accord
Honda Prelude
Toyota Corrolla FXGT and GT (all models from the old RWD to the new VVi powered FWD)
All the NZ made Corrollas with the Chris Amon suspensin.
Nissan Skyline GTR. (not the lesser models)
Nissan Pulsar GTiR, SSS, GTi, X1R etc etc
Any Pre 1980 Datsun or Nissan.

Want me to keep going?

and note nearly all of the above cars were never sold in the US.

[La Temperanza]

Personally, I don't like German cars; they may be powerfully engineered, but most of them don't seem built to last, although my Z3 has proved reliable and some Volkswagens are pleasantly solid. I've never driven an Italian car, so I can't comment on those.

I think the best overall carmakers would be the Swedes- their efforts aren't even trying to be rockets or styling leaders, but they feel like they're built just right.

I appreciate Japanese build quality as well, but none of them seem passionate enough about their cars, with the possible exception of Subaru and also Mazda. Those pre-1980 Datsuns are also nice, but Nissan seems firmly entrenched in commuter sedan dullsville these days. Still, no one can engineer as well as those Europeans.

[crayzayjay]

Originally posted by CopperHed210
You must be a sick and demented human being

hey, cool it there.... this is a car forum. thats no way to present your case

Originally posted by CopperHed210

Cadillac make some of the best cars on earth.Cadillac competes with some of the best luxery automakers in the world such as Mercedes and Bentley.Cadillacs have great looks and every option any other luxery car has and some options some others don't have such as night vision and a great ride.Also very powerful engines.What do you consider to be a "good car" if not Cadillac?

I'll admit to not having any personal experience of Cadillacs, at least not recent ones. But the STS was mocked over here, it was simply thrashed by BMW, Merc, all competitors in every road test i saw/read. It made a nice sound and had a lot of gadgets, so youre right on the latter aspect, but that was about it. Night vision is a neat little trick, but it does not a good car make. I wouldnt think of comparing a Caddy to a Bentley, thats ridiculous. The upcoming CTS looks set to be a good car though.

[crayzayjay]

Originally posted by Moppie



Honda Civic all RS and SiR models from 1974-2000
Type R Civic and Integra.
Honda Accord
Honda Prelude
Toyota Corrolla FXGT and GT (all models from the old RWD to the new VVi powered FWD)
All the NZ made Corrollas with the Chris Amon suspensin.
Nissan Skyline GTR. (not the lesser models)
Nissan Pulsar GTiR, SSS, GTi, X1R etc etc
Any Pre 1980 Datsun or Nissan.

Want me to keep going?

and note nearly all of the above cars were never sold in the US.

hmmm.... to be honest, while i like a lot of those cars, particularly Integra Type R and R33 GTR, i dont think they have "emotion". Character, yes, but not emotion. At least the ones i know from the list.

[crayzayjay]

I just noticed the Pulsar GTiR in the list. Now tell me that has half, no wait, an eighth of the character or emotion of an Integrale. Impossible.

I think its the fact that Japanese cars will always start and run forever that makes you develop a bond with the car. That was certainly the case for our Prelude, an early 80's model that we gave to my cousin. It's still running today, there must be a good half million kilometres on it, and still the original engine