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[liquid8]

the b16 head is better the only reason that the gsr motor has 10 more horses is cuz of it's displacement. well not the only reason but the main reason

[SiRII]

ALANIZ is a racing cylinder head porting and flow testing center formed in April of 2001.

[B16EJ1]

Did you read what that company said about the comparison? Probably not huh? Basically what we all have been telling you, that the B16 head is still better. Here's a link to the whole article and not just the graph that shows both heads perform equally.


http://www.alaniztechnologies.com/techarticles.html

[SiRII]

b16 for top end and b18 for torque

[B16EJ1]

Where do you think the B18C gets more torque from the head or diplacement and stroke? Yes the B18 head produces more torque but the numbers are still minute. The torque that the B18C lays down is not at all dependant on the head. If it was then the design of the Type R head would be based of the GSR/SIR-G and not the B16A, don't you think?

[SiRII]

that's what it said at the end of the alaniz article.

[edman24]

first of all ive read quite a few of SiRII posts and i must ask you man, where the hell do you get your info??? not one thing you said has made any sense man! im not clowning you but stop giving people the wrong info. like what the hell do you mean by the b16 has a stronger head? what is that? anyways if i had the choice i would spend the extra money and go with the b18 for a few reasons. these people talking about, is it worth the money for only 10-20 hp. thats so wrong its not even funny. for the b16 to compare in power and torque with the b18 youd more then make up the difference of the price of engines with the mods youd need. not to mention the b18 has much more tuning capabilities. and yes you could bore the block and it would be the same thing but that requires custom machining that could get messed up, and new pistons. why waste that money when you can buy a FACTORY built 1.8 liter? so what if the b16 head flows a little better? slap on some new cams to the b18 and go bang some people. at least thats what i would do.

[SiRII]

all in all. everyone has there own opinion. people say this people say that.

[B16EJ1]

Originally posted by SiRII
that's what it said at the end of the alaniz article.

actually the article said nothing to that effect

[SiRII]

"In my opinion the B16 is a better head in 100% stock trim because more top end power can be made while the GSR flow characteristics soot better volumetric efficiency numbers which mean better torque figures"

[B16EJ1]

Originally posted by B16EJ1
Where do you think the B18C gets more torque from the head or diplacement and stroke? Yes the B18 head produces more torque but the numbers are still minute. The torque that the B18C lays down is not at all dependant on the head. If it was then the design of the Type R head would be based of the GSR/SIR-G and not the B16A, don't you think?

This is what I said not that.

[SiRII]

i was quoting the article

[civichatchb18b1]

the estra money you are gonna spend on the b16 to get that 20 more horses is the same you will spend on the b18 and there are more possiblillities for greater horsepower gains with a b18 much better i think so go with a b18 and you will be very happy or if you want to get crazy get and ls block with has the greatest torque and displacement of any b series block and throw your b16 head on it which is a "stronger head" so says sir11 and have an lsvtec which will give you great 1/4 mile times and awesome throttle response on the streets thats my opinion and worth every cent and if anyone disagrees thats awesome i love these kinds of debates personally i would go with a gsr or type r head port and poloshed and get some awesome ets and trap speeds

[B16EJ1]

He said that the B18 head was "stronger" not the B16.

[PWMAN]

Originally posted by civichatchb18b1
the estra money you are gonna spend on the b16 to get that 20 more horses is the same you will spend on the b18 and there are more possiblillities for greater horsepower gains with a b18 much better i think so go with a b18 and you will be very happy or if you want to get crazy get and ls block with has the greatest torque and displacement of any b series block and throw your b16 head on it which is a "stronger head" so says sir11 and have an lsvtec which will give you great 1/4 mile times and awesome throttle response on the streets thats my opinion and worth every cent and if anyone disagrees thats awesome i love these kinds of debates personally i would go with a gsr or type r head port and poloshed and get some awesome ets and trap speeds

Apparently you have more money than you know what to do with!
Sorry, I'm not trying to get you pissed at me but all the stuff you are saying costs mega bucks. I was offering a cost-effective solution to horsepower per dollar. You can get the B16 that has 160HP for 1200 dollars, the B18C1 costs 3000 dollars for 180 HP. Torque is not an issue, the car doesn't weigh anything. Plus the other reason I said was that he needs a cable trans, and the SIR1 accomodates that, the B18C doesn't. He would have to buy a cable trans, or do a pain in the ass hydraulic conversion that justs adds to the costs.