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Old 05-16-2013, 12:08 PM   #61
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Really people? Earlier in this thread there were complaints about why two companies have to make kits of the same car. Now we're complaining that we're getting both a road car and a long tail race version? After waiting 20 years for this to come out in plastic, I couldn't be happier!!!

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I think it is great that Aoshima decided to do a different version. And as already mentioned Fujimi will most probably follow up with a GTR version, and if not there is still the MFH GTR, so we should be happy that all the major versions have been covered.
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:14 PM   #62
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Aoshima says it will be released "later this year 2013" so they probably have a final design at this point. Let's hope they decided to go the complexity route to differentiate from the Fujimi offering with some nice suspension and drivetrain detail.
Let's hope so, though the Celica doesn't seem to have a detailed engine, unless I missed it on that parts diagram.
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:20 PM   #63
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I am glad they did the F1 GTR/97 also. I saw them race at Sebring and Laguna Seca back in 1997 at the FIA races and they were as loud as hell. The 1997 V12 CLK Merc's also sounded good, alot better than the 1998 V8 version wich I saw at Homestead in 1998(no one came to that event as it was a ghost town!!). Although Mercedes did not win Lemans with the CLK they won everything else!!

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Old 05-16-2013, 04:29 PM   #64
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For me who builds roadcars solely, Aoshima's announcement was a let down, and I just placed my order for the Fujimi McLaren. I was let down because 1) I was thinking that Aoshima would make a better kit than Fujimi (maybe not true given Fujimi's latest solid effort, the very nice Ferrari F12) and 2) I don't consider the F1 GTR Longtail a "supercar" as announced by Aoshima. A "supercar" implies an expensive, powerful road car. The longtail is a race car, not a supercar.
I disagree on both points. We don't know which kit will be better until we see actual kit content. Renderings Fujimi published so far do not represent real kit. They look just like renderings from 3D model to me. All Aoshima has presented so far is a 3D print of their 3D CAD model. I strongly suggest that we should hold our judgement until both kits' content is know.

While F1-GTR is a race car it is very closely based on F1 road car and it's long tail variant - F1 GT. In fact same monocoque structure was used for all of them, according to Driving Ambition book. Only 3 F1 GT cars were build, that made it extremely exclusive super car. It is as much as super car as F1 is, not cheap and very powerful road car. There isn't that much difference between F1 GT and F1-GTR long tail. Aoshima can just decide to include one more parts tree to make kits universal and let modeler to build either F1-GTR or F1 GT.

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I've got to be honest. I'm disappointed. If the Fujimi was full detail then I'd be okay with the Longtail, but now... oh well.
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But to say I'm not disappointed would be a lie. I've waited a long time for a full detail F1 Mclaren Road Car, in plastic, and I thought my wait was over.
No one here has seen what Fujimi kit will be like, so how can you be already disappointed ?

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My complaint is that I wanted the short tail race version. I'm sure Hobby Design or Studio 27 will release a trans-kit to turn the Fujimi McLaren into a GTR, just would have preferred it in plastic.
Who said Fujimi would not release race version later ?

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The question for me will be depending on liveries, how many of these McLaren F1's will I get? It could end up like my Porsche 956 group currently featuring five different versions of the same car.
I know at least 5 different racing liveries, number of which had different versions for different racing series.

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They should have come out with it a long time ago. The Mclaren has lost a lot of it's luster since the 90s in my opinion. Still cool that they finally made it.
I disagree, F1 still holds a "Legendary Car" status and timing is great. This year we celebrate 20th anniversary of this car.

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If only somebody would release a good street version, because the Fujimi doesn't look that great to me.
Again we have not seen what Fujimi kit will be like. Isn't it too early to make conclusions ?

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... Aoshima designer is quoted by saying that they'll have to adjust the business strategy, so we'll most likely get the BMW V12 engine.
I really hope that signifies a change in philosophy. Upcoming version of Toyota 86 with engine, might well indicate that the change is happening.

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Added: Three versions from three companies all in the same year...sounds too good as a mere coincidence.
I wonder if it has anything to do with 20th anniversary of the car or may be just a change in McLaren's licensising policy for it.

I think Aoshima has made very sensible decision in terms of business too. They are not going to compete with Fujimi on the same road version of the car. They are releasing generic F1-GTR kit and with so many racing liveries available for it, Aoshima will be able to sell a lot more kits compare to road car versions. AND if they would really want to, they could release short tail version, because most of the car is the same.
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:42 PM   #65
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Waited over 10 years for this model, others have waited longer.

Fujimi kit will almost certainly be curbside, and from the looks of it, require tweaking to get the body accurate.

Not really interested in Longtail.

Not paying £250 for MFH.

So I'll say it again. Disappointed. Is that a crime?
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I just find it interesting that:

1. Modellers complained year after year that no McLaren F1 kit was made and promised to buy every one they could made if it was released.

2. After so many years, Aoshima and Fujimi obliged, and announce the F1 in different versions.

3. Modellers are disappointed, either complain the manufacturers are wasting their resources on the same car, or not getting certain version from certain manufacturer. All without seeing the actual product.

It's no wonder Aoshima is branching out to military models. Military modellers complain too, but at least they are willing to open their wallet.
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Not paying £250 for MFH.
If you're serious about it, you can get one for around 180GBP from amiami.com. Go to http://slist.amiami.com/top/search/list and enter "f1 gtr" in search box.

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So I'll say it again. Disappointed. Is that a crime?
Of course not, just don't make such a fuzz about it. Imho, one post should be enough to get out your disappointment, shouldn't it be ?
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Old 05-17-2013, 05:03 AM   #68
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Consumer demand wears out over time, so if a company releases the most popular variation first, the subsequent variations won't get the same level of attention or sales. But if a company releases a less popular variation first, the expectation and demand will remain fairly strong until the more popular item comes out.
I hope Aoshima has made this kind of strategic move, and decided to release the GTR as an appetizer, so they can give us a gorgeous main dish later.
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I'm glad to have them BOTH in plastic; I can live with the "imperfections" even if none of us know what they are just yet. People are never satisfied. Already hanging the perpetrator before the crime has been committed.
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I'm glad to have them BOTH in plastic; I can live with the "imperfections" even if none of us know what they are just yet. People are never satisfied. Already hanging the perpetrator before the crime has been committed.


We 'bend over and take it' car modellers deserve everything we get. Wouldn't catch Military modellers putting up with substandard releases.

That said. If Fujimi and Aoshima do pull it out the bag and deliver two stonking models, I will happily eat humble pie.

A few more details from Aoshima would calm some fears I think.
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I'm liking all of these new kits, now to get rid of that ST27 Celica trans kit.
or maybe kit bash it since the new one is Gravel and i need a tarmac for Monte win.
but you know they will do that one eventually.
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We 'bend over and take it' car modellers deserve everything we get. Wouldn't catch Military modellers putting up with substandard releases.

That said. If Fujimi and Aoshima do pull it out the bag and deliver two stonking models, I will happily eat humble pie.

A few more details from Aoshima would calm some fears I think.
I don't complain; I'm too busy ENJOYING THE HOBBY; seems like lots of folks forgot how to do that. I'm not gonna have a stroke because the wheel wells on an unreleased kit are off by .0000045 mm. If you or anyone else can do a better job with the design/production of the kit, perhaps Fujimi/Aoshima would benefit from the submission of your resume (s).
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from Aoshima's FB page

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Aoshima Bunka Kyozai Co.,Ltd. Official page
McLaren F-1 GTR "Pre-Season Testing"
Release : Scheduled in winter 2013
Price: Pending
Specification:
* Completely new tooling, including tires
* Fully recreated engine, interior,chassis and other parts with full authenticity, studied and researched from actual car
...Note: The mock up is not exactly matching with the test car on the flyer. Why? We just leave it to your guess for the moment
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Old 05-18-2013, 12:08 AM   #75
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I'm happy with the resurgence of kits from Aoshima and Fujimi. Much better than getting nothing or all high priced resin kits(a bit out of my reach). If it's near enough, I can tweak it myself. It's better than nothing peoples.
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