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Old 04-10-2005, 09:26 PM   #1
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diffrence in HP series 1 and series 2 3800SC

Wut is the diffrence in HP from a series 1 and a series 2 3800 supercharged
i want to know because i have a 95 se with the 3100 and i wanna put a 3800 supercharged in it and somewhere i read that a series 1 will bolt up to my tranny that i have now and all i need is the motor and computer and thats it, and a series 2 will take a little more time and and alittle more tools than i have.
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Re: diffrence in HP series 1 and series 2 3800SC

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Wut is the diffrence in HP from a series 1 and a series 2 3800 supercharged
i want to know because i have a 95 se with the 3100 and i wanna put a 3800 supercharged in it and somewhere i read that a series 1 will bolt up to my tranny that i have now and all i need is the motor and computer and thats it, and a series 2 will take a little more time and and alittle more tools than i have.
i dont think series 1 tranny will take a series 2 engine, I had a 91 buick with series 1 and now a 03 gt with series 2 and the transmissions look slightly different. even if they did, 75hp difference will surely make the tranny useless later on.
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Re: diffrence in HP series 1 and series 2 3800SC

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Wut is the diffrence in HP from a series 1 and a series 2 3800 supercharged
i want to know because i have a 95 se with the 3100 and i wanna put a 3800 supercharged in it and somewhere i read that a series 1 will bolt up to my tranny that i have now and all i need is the motor and computer and thats it, and a series 2 will take a little more time and and alittle more tools than i have.
Thought this info may be helpful.


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1992-93 3800 V6 Supercharged vin 1

205hp @ 4400 rpm
260tq @ 2800 rpm
8.5:1 Compression
FWD, balance shaft, crank driven oil pump, DIS, hydraulic roller camshaft, integral PCV, Eaton M62 Supercharger
28 lb/hr injectors
1994-95 3800 V6 Supercharged vin 1

225hp @ 5000 rpm
275tq @ 3200 rpm
8.5:1 Compression
FWD, balance shaft, crank driven oil pump, DIS, hydraulic roller camshaft, integral PCV, Eaton M62 Supercharger with teflon coated roots
28? lb/hr injectors
Special notes considering the differences between the Series 1 L & C 3800 engines: The vin L 3800's cylinder heads were the first to feature an integral PCV ventilation system that was found in all subsequent 3800 and 3800 Series II engines. This means that the earlier vin C 3800 heads will not work on a vin L 3800 engine. Also, the only difference between the Supercharged (vin 1) and TPI (vin L) versions of the 3800 besides the intake and assy belt drive system was different connecting rod part number.

1996-04 3800 Series II Supercharged V6 vin 1 RPO L67

240hp @ 5200 rpm
280tq @ 3600 rpm
8.5:1 Compression
FWD, balance shaft, crank driven oil pump, DIS, hydraulic roller camshaft, integral PCV, roller rocker arms, M90 Supercharger
36 lb/hr injectors
2004-?? 3800 Series III Supercharged V6 RPO L32

260hp @ 5400 rpm
280tq @ 3600 rpm
8.5:1 Compression
FWD, balance shaft, crank driven oil pump, DIS, hydraulic roller camshaft, integral PCV, roller rocker arms, M1?? Supercharger, powdered metal connecting rods

Special notes considering the 3800 Series II engines: The series II 3800 is a redesigned version of the 3800 V6. The Series II block has a shorter deck height, symmetrical design cylinder heads & cross-bolted main bearing caps among most of the major differences it has with it's predecessor. The Supercharged version of the Series II engine shares the same crankshaft and heads as the naturally aspirated version but the heads on the SC version have bosses machined for injectors, and the crank is balanced differently because the SC version has beefier connecting rods and pistons. The SC pistons are also of hypereutectic casting and have a thermal coating on their tops designed to reflect heat back into the combustion process.

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Re: diffrence in HP series 1 and series 2 3800SC

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Originally Posted by DarkGP
Wut is the diffrence in HP from a series 1 and a series 2 3800 supercharged
i want to know because i have a 95 se with the 3100 and i wanna put a 3800 supercharged in it and somewhere i read that a series 1 will bolt up to my tranny that i have now and all i need is the motor and computer and thats it, and a series 2 will take a little more time and and alittle more tools than i have.
Thought this info may be helpful.


--------------------------------------------------------

1992-93 3800 V6 Supercharged vin 1

205hp @ 4400 rpm
260tq @ 2800 rpm
8.5:1 Compression
FWD, balance shaft, crank driven oil pump, DIS, hydraulic roller camshaft, integral PCV, Eaton M62 Supercharger
28 lb/hr injectors

1994-95 3800 V6 Supercharged vin 1

225hp @ 5000 rpm
275tq @ 3200 rpm
8.5:1 Compression
FWD, balance shaft, crank driven oil pump, DIS, hydraulic roller camshaft, integral PCV, Eaton M62 Supercharger with teflon coated roots
28? lb/hr injectors
Special notes considering the differences between the Series 1 L & C 3800 engines: The vin L 3800's cylinder heads were the first to feature an integral PCV ventilation system that was found in all subsequent 3800 and 3800 Series II engines. This means that the earlier vin C 3800 heads will not work on a vin L 3800 engine. Also, the only difference between the Supercharged (vin 1) and TPI (vin L) versions of the 3800 besides the intake and assy belt drive system was different connecting rod part number.

1996-04 3800 Series II Supercharged V6 vin 1 RPO L67

240hp @ 5200 rpm
280tq @ 3600 rpm
8.5:1 Compression
FWD, balance shaft, crank driven oil pump, DIS, hydraulic roller camshaft, integral PCV, roller rocker arms, M90 Supercharger
36 lb/hr injectors
2004-?? 3800 Series III Supercharged V6 RPO L32

260hp @ 5400 rpm
280tq @ 3600 rpm
8.5:1 Compression
FWD, balance shaft, crank driven oil pump, DIS, hydraulic roller camshaft, integral PCV, roller rocker arms, M1?? Supercharger, powdered metal connecting rods

Special notes considering the 3800 Series II engines: The series II 3800 is a redesigned version of the 3800 V6. The Series II block has a shorter deck height, symmetrical design cylinder heads & cross-bolted main bearing caps among most of the major differences it has with it's predecessor. The Supercharged version of the Series II engine shares the same crankshaft and heads as the naturally aspirated version but the heads on the SC version have bosses machined for injectors, and the crank is balanced differently because the SC version has beefier connecting rods and pistons. The SC pistons are also of hypereutectic casting and have a thermal coating on their tops designed to reflect heat back into the combustion process.

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Source:
http://www.gmtuners.com/
http://dtcc.cz28.com/gminfo.htm
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Re: diffrence in HP series 1 and series 2 3800SC

sorry about the double post
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Re: Re: diffrence in HP series 1 and series 2 3800SC

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i dont think series 1 tranny will take a series 2 engine, I had a 91 buick with series 1 and now a 03 gt with series 2 and the transmissions look slightly different. even if they did, 75hp difference will surely make the tranny useless later on.

no wut i ment was that the series 1 3800 will bolt up to my 3100 block
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no wut i ment was that the series 1 3800 will bolt up to my 3100 block

if i was u i would keep that 95 SE a 95 SE until you gain some mechanical knowledge. sounds like your high school friends put you up to this. and have a back-up car and about at least $3000 and a proffesional mechanic holding your hand if you attempt that fate..
your high school shop teacher doesnt count.
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if i was u i would keep that 95 SE a 95 SE until you gain some mechanical knowledge. sounds like your high school friends put you up to this. and have a back-up car and about at least $3000 and a proffesional mechanic holding your hand if you attempt that fate..
your high school shop teacher doesnt count.


wut r u talkin about i am a certified mechanic i work at a ponitac dealership i know wut im talkin about so u just shut ur mouth and mind ur own buissness, i c that u dont list an occupation does that mean that u dont have a job or u cant get one cuz ur a lazy a.. and all u do is come on here and tell people that they dont know anything and because ur obviously so smart and u knwo so mush about grand prix's beings u drive a GTO, mr guano "do u know wut guano is, that is wut i think u r"

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: diffrence in HP series 1 and series 2 3800SC

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wut r u talkin about i am a certified mechanic i work at a ponitac dealership i know wut im talkin about so u just shut ur mouth and mind ur own buissness, i c that u dont list an occupation does that mean that u dont have a job or u cant get one cuz ur a lazy a.. and all u do is come on here and tell people that they dont know anything and because ur obviously so smart and u knwo so mush about grand prix's beings u drive a GTO, mr guano "do u know wut guano is, that is wut i think u r"

Hey guys relax. We just had a group banned from here. Don't want to see anyone else leaving.
We're all out here to help each other.
But I do have to ask agian, "What is a 2000 GTO". I own 3 GP's. And have a 1966 GTO. But never heard of a 2000 GTO.
Have a good night.
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thats wut his profile says now we see who knows there stuff
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and hey im not tryin to get banned but when some one questions my abilitys i get alittle pissed im sry about the coments but he needs to back off and mind his own buisness
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Hey guys relax. We just had a group banned from here. Don't want to see anyone else leaving.
We're all out here to help each other.
But I do have to ask agian, "What is a 2000 GTO". I own 3 GP's. And have a 1966 GTO. But never heard of a 2000 GTO.
Have a good night.
Theres a 2004 - 06 GTO very sexy 400hp slightly tanned with long slender legs... err nice cars
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Re: diffrence in HP series 1 and series 2 3800SC

DarkGP has no clue. He types like hes using instant messenger. I doubt he works for pontiac or should i say ponitac.
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