What’s wrong with Ford and the new Mustang?

[01L2Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jaguar D-Type

Is something "wrong" with beating Porsche, BMW, Nissan, etc. on the race track?

http://www.grandamerican.com/News/Article.asp?ID=5227

http://www.multimaticmotorsports.com...mpringham.html

http://www.grandamerican.com/News/Article.asp?ID=5269

That proves absolutely nothing!!!

You do know that the FR500C was the only car allowed to run a non production based engine? The M3 was limited to the 3.2 and OEM intake while the FR500C was permitted to use the Cammer and a racing intake.
http://www.grandamerican.com/CONTENT...GAC%203-28.pdf

Things would have been totally different if BMW was allowed to run the new 3 series with a V8.

[01L2Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jaguar D-Type

The Austrailan Ford Falcon should be built here.

Yes the Falcon is a great car as is the Focus RS and many other cars that Ford produces for over seas markets. The problem is that we are stuck with water downed versions or crap they claim is better than it is. Like I posted above Ford will tell you to look at Grand-AM cup but they fail to tell you they had more advantages than any other manufacturer in the series.

[01L2Cobra]

Originally Posted by Joshta

Too much love in here.

Yes the new S7 is insanely bad and when i win the lottery i will own one. Not arguing but 0-60 in 2.8 out of 450hp seems a little much. The Enzo ran 3-3 with 650hp, given it does weigh 3200lbs but come on. A 2.8 would throw it in the S7 range and run 1/4 at mid-high 10s. It would theoretically have to weight about 1770lbs.

Why spend all that money on that when you can get a 2.9 0-60 car for $40K?

[giddyup50]

I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

1. How do I attach a quote? That way I won't have to say "Hey Cobra guy."

2. Why the hell did this last page get so damn wide? I hate that, I feel like a damn typwriter when I scroll to the right, then left, then right, then left. THAT SUCKS!!

Oh, by the way....Hey Stang 00...I do realize that having a 16k v8 Mustang is not possible today. However...why did they drop the 5.0 and 5.8 (pushrod engines)? They were VERY reliable, good power and great torque (could've been more if Ford used SVT/GT40-COBRA intake/heads). A friend of mine who works at a Ford dealership in the service dept. said that Ford did that because they were not selling enough replacement engines for the 5.0/5.8. True or not, I don't know. Knowing Ford it could be true.

If Ford still had the 5.0/5.8 the Mustang would be alot cheaper than they are now. Think about it guys, less cams, less valves, and no, not less power. I know the 5.0 had 225 vs. 260(4.6 1999-04) but I'm sure if the 5.0 was still here after 10 years they would have improved on it.

For example: base-200hp v6 3.8 or 4.0....I don't care which one
base GT-300hp 5.0..no prob. w/bolt on stuff (SVT/GT40)
GT premium-350hp 5.0...maybe a supercharger?
COBRA-400+hp 5.8...bolt ons, heads, supercharger?
I'm not doggin the 4.6 it's bottom end is stronger than the 5.0, but I don't see the benefit 10 years latter from switching to the modular 4.6.
Gas mileage is about the same, power was the same til 99 (not much more) and 300 05. I almost envy GM guys cause they still have a pushrod engine (v8's) that they have room to work on it.
I THINK THIS IS MY LONGEST POST...SORRY, I'LL GO IN TIMEOUT NOW.

[01L2Cobra]

Originally Posted by giddyup50

1. How do I attach a quote? That way I won't have to say "Hey Cobra guy."

hit the reply button under the post you want to quote or type [ QUOTE=name of the person or item you want to quote] type or past the quote here then type [ /QUOTE] but leave out the space between the [ and the Q and /

Originally Posted by giddyup50

2. Why the hell did this last page get so damn wide? I hate that, I feel like a damn typwriter when I scroll to the right, then left, then right, then left. THAT SUCKS!!

When TheStang00 quoted my post with the picture of the Focus RS his post became too wide so it activated the left/right scroll bar

About the only benefit to the mod motors (non DOHC) was to save money. It made it possible for them to share parts between brands and between the 4.6 and 5.4. The DOHC does offer a big benefit to people that enjoy Road racing like myself thanks the to increased RPMs and power band. It does have the disadvantage of size and weight however the 01 blocks are only 80lbs.

[zx2srdotnet]

Originally Posted by TheStang00

also, no stock escort in 99 is going to beat a stock manual v6 stang from 99 period.

lol now THAT'S bull shit

ZX2 15.6(best i have personaly seen)
ZX2 S/R 15.4 (again best i have personaly seen)
99+v6 15.6(again best i have personaly seen)

best 05 time ican find on line stock is a 15.2

unless its a 05+ then a ZX2 can meet or beat any stock v6 stang.

Its a fact of life. Learn it. Live it.

[giddyup50]

Originally Posted by 01L2Cobra

hit the reply button under the post you want to quote or type [ QUOTE=name of the person or item you want to quote] type or past the quote here then type [ /QUOTE] but leave out the space between the [ and the Q and /


When TheStang00 quoted my post with the picture of the Focus RS his post became too wide so it activated the left/right scroll bar

About the only benefit to the mod motors (non DOHC) was to save money. It made it possible for them to share parts between brands and between the 4.6 and 5.4. The DOHC does offer a big benefit to people that enjoy Road racing like myself thanks the to increased RPMs and power band. It does have the disadvantage of size and weight however the 01 blocks are only 80lbs.

Did it work? Let's see.

[giddyup50]

HEY, ALRIGHT!! You learn something new everyday!
THANK YOU COBRA!!

[giddyup50]

I see what you're sayin ZX2 but, come on, which looks better? Which one is more fun to drive? It's been a long time since I've driven either a ZX2 or 99-04 v6 Stang so I really can't remember how they performed. I know the Stang would have more off the line but I also know that the wieght of the Escort would help it once it got going. That is evident by the times you showed us. I know we should like the quicker time no matter how we get it but I think the Stang would be more fun in a drag race. I'm sure the Escort can handle/brake better with its lighter wieght on a road course, but I think you guys are talking about drag racing. Sorry man, not doggin ya or anything, it's just your prefferance and our prefferance. You do get better gas mileage and you can go through the snow, which that would be nice, but for a sports car I'd rather have RWD.

[TheStang00]

ok crub weight of escort 2500lbs, mustang v6 3050lbs.

that is a pretty good difference.

power- escort 130hp, 135tq. mustang v6 190hp, 220tq.

so the mustang has %46 more hp and 63% more tq.

or in otherwords, a lot more. plus its RWD. I cant see a stock escort beating a stock manual v6 stang. but the weight dif would help a lot.

and i must say i def agree with giddyup50's points

and theres also the tq factor... its nice to actually have some low end...

[TheStang00]

Originally Posted by giddyup50

I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.


Oh, by the way....Hey Stang 00...I do realize that having a 16k v8 Mustang is not possible today. However...why did they drop the 5.0 and 5.8 (pushrod engines)? They were VERY reliable, good power and great torque (could've been more if Ford used SVT/GT40-COBRA intake/heads). A friend of mine who works at a Ford dealership in the service dept. said that Ford did that because they were not selling enough replacement engines for the 5.0/5.8. True or not, I don't know. Knowing Ford it could be true.

If Ford still had the 5.0/5.8 the Mustang would be alot cheaper than they are now. Think about it guys, less cams, less valves, and no, not less power. I know the 5.0 had 225 vs. 260(4.6 1999-04) but I'm sure if the 5.0 was still here after 10 years they would have improved on it.

yep those engines were reliable and nice. i think ford switched to the ohc motors to move on technologically. think about it, ohc motors have been the trend as of recent, gm and dodge are the only companies that still use ohv at all. and they have there fair share of ohc motors also. i think ford was just following that trend, i think they realized the potential of ohc (mainly dohc) motors. the 4.6 really is there first try at it. in the future ill be willing to bet theyll have a much better ohc v8. something that will compete with or kill the ls1. but we'll see.

but i to like ohv engines, i have my 3.8, and even tho the ranger has no power, i like the 2.5 in it also. extremely reliable engines. and really the ranger engine has more potential than my 3.8 v6, its the same motor except bored some that was in the SVO mustang. can take boat loads of boost. and has a hefty aftermarket.

[giddyup50]

Originally Posted by TheStang00

ok crub weight of escort 2500lbs, mustang v6 3050lbs.

that is a pretty good difference.

power- escort 130hp, 135tq. mustang v6 190hp, 220tq.

so the mustang has %46 more hp and 63% more tq.

or in otherwords, a lot more. plus its RWD. I cant see a stock escort beating a stock manual v6 stang. but the weight dif would help a lot.

and i must say i def agree with giddyup50's points

and theres also the tq factor... its nice to actually have some low end...

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clear my throat.....sorry guys...just kiddin again
I think I picked the wrong week to quite smokin crack
JUST KIDDIN AGAIN GUYS....GEE WHIZ, CALM DOWN!

[TheStang00]

Originally Posted by 01L2Cobra

When TheStang00 quoted my post with the picture of the Focus RS his post became too wide so it activated the left/right scroll bar

wasnt it like that on your original too? i thought it was, if you go back in look it doesnt fit either. for that matter neither does the shebly gt350 jaguar posted either.

edit- damn ive become a post whore

[giddyup50]

Originally Posted by TheStang00

wasnt it like that on your original too? i thought it was, if you go back in look it doesnt fit either. for that matter neither does the shebly gt350 jaguar posted either.

edit- damn ive become a post whore

We're all post whores, I keep saying I'm going to bed but I keep posting.

[neatofrito1618]

Originally Posted by zx2srdotnet

lol now THAT'S bull shit

ZX2 15.6(best i have personaly seen)
ZX2 S/R 15.4 (again best i have personaly seen)
99+v6 15.6(again best i have personaly seen)

best 05 time ican find on line stock is a 15.2

unless its a 05+ then a ZX2 can meet or beat any stock v6 stang.

Its a fact of life. Learn it. Live it.

what u have seen at the track doesent mean anything. 99-04 v6 5 speeds can run low 15's