What’s wrong with Ford and the new Mustang?

[TheStang00]

lol ur not worth the time to look at ur sig. now ur just pissed cause we are tired of hearing your ranting, just go away.

[AltecZX2]

im not pissed at all, i just get annoyed by people like you who act like they know everything yet obviously dont, and make posts trying to look smart and just make them selfs look stupid....like you just did.


EDIT: and its not ranting if its correct. and I have yet to see you prove any of my points wrong.

[TheStang00]

like you dont act like you know everything... thats why no one on this forum wants you here. just go... everyone that posts in section gets along fine, you are annoying, you ruin the environment.

[AltecZX2]

i have yet to see you post any usefull infromation and now your are just trying to start a flame war. So how I see it you are the one that should leave.

[Jaguar D-Type]

Originally Posted by 01L2Cobra

One of my friends brings up some very good points about the S197s in a couple of his latest blogs.
http://www.jwfisher.com/sec-blog/2005/11/24.html#a1018
http://www.jwfisher.com/sec-blog/2005/11/23.html#a1011

The Mustang is an example of what is wrong with our country, not what is right.

LOL!

Except for the 2000 SVT Mustang Cobra R and the 2003-03 SVT Mustang Cobra, the 1999-2004 Mustang was the ugliest Mustang since the early 1980s. It was an example of a joke with fake side vents, fake hood scoops, awful ergonomics, 25 year old chassis, etc.

The new 2005 Mustang GT's 4.6 liter 300 hp V-8 weighs 75 pounds less than the previous Mustang GT's 4.6 liter V-8 thanks to an aluminum block instead of an iron block. It also has variable valve timing.

Here are some poor articles of the lame 2005 Mustang.

http://www.motorsportscenter.com/article_462.shtml

Note how they compare they new Mustang convertible with the Toyota Solara convertible, "the boneless chicken of convertibles."

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=9480

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/driven/...nvertible.html

[TheStang00]

Originally Posted by Jaguar D-Type

The Mustang is an example of what is wrong with our country, not what is right.

LOL!

Except for the 2000 SVT Mustang Cobra R and the 2003-03 SVT Mustang Cobra, the 1999-2004 Mustang was the ugliest Mustang since the early 1980s. It was an example of a joke with fake side vents, fake hood scoops, awful ergonomics, 25 year old chassis, etc.

The new 2005 Mustang GT's 4.6 liter 300 hp V-8 weighs 75 pounds less than the previous Mustang GT's 4.6 liter V-8 thanks to an aluminum block instead of an iron block. It also has variable valve timing.

Here are some poor articles of the lame 2005 Mustang.

http://www.motorsportscenter.com/article_462.shtml

Note how they compare they new Mustang convertible with the Toyota Solara convertible, "the boneless chicken of convertibles."

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=9480

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/driven/...nvertible.html

well i must say as far as ergonomics go i love my car.

[SkylineUSA]

OPINIONS! Thats when the problems start

[TheStang00]

yep, it makes it worse when someone comes in a mustang section and starts yelling ford sucks all over the place. with mustangs being taking most of his attacks. fact is i dont think people here, i know i dont, like his attitude. i have no problem with having a discussion over it but when your trying to have a discussion and he just goes fords stupid and they suck out of no where.... it disrupts things a lot. aside from that, if you have a difference in opinion, and he doesnt like it you get called an idiot and criticized. like i still like the gt500 despite its downfalls, but im a fucking idiot for liking it.

i was actually enjoying the discussion and learning some new things on the gt500 b4 mr escort here decided to cause problems.

i say this thread just be locked up.

[SkylineUSA]

That is why I do not reply to his posts any more, I could care less what his opinion is.

[TheStang00]

^^ i guess that could have avoided all this...

[Jaguar D-Type]

Originally Posted by 01L2Cobra

That proves absolutely nothing!!!

You do know that the FR500C was the only car allowed to run a non production based engine? The M3 was limited to the 3.2 and OEM intake while the FR500C was permitted to use the Cammer and a racing intake.
http://www.grandamerican.com/CONTENT...GAC%203-28.pdf

Things would have been totally different if BMW was allowed to run the new 3 series with a V8.

BMW doesn't build a 3 series with a V-8 engine. The 2001 BMW M3 GTR, the poster child for cheating in GT racing (within the past several years), had a 4.0 liter aluminum-block V-8 while the standard 2001 BMW M3 had a 3.2 liter iron-block I-6.

As for the Mustang, look at the
bigger picture: it is back in racing















Gunnar Jeannette

[AltecZX2]

Originally Posted by TheStang00

yep, it makes it worse when someone comes in a mustang section and starts yelling ford sucks all over the place. with mustangs being taking most of his attacks. fact is i dont think people here, i know i dont, like his attitude. i have no problem with having a discussion over it but when your trying to have a discussion and he just goes fords stupid and they suck out of no where.... it disrupts things a lot. aside from that, if you have a difference in opinion, and he doesnt like it you get called an idiot and criticized. like i still like the gt500 despite its downfalls, but im a fucking idiot for liking it.

i was actually enjoying the discussion and learning some new things on the gt500 b4 mr escort here decided to cause problems.

i say this thread just be locked up.

1. Ford does suck. ask most Ford owners, hell i know LOTS that hate their cars just cat aford to get rid of them, there dealrs so shitty repaires, and unless you have a mainstream model they know nothing about your car.(been told i had a v6, and was told a ZX2 was a CHEVY by differnt dealers, also be told the SVT Focus was AWD)

2. I never said all mustangs suck, I only said the 05's and the drive train they under powered the v6 with sucks. If you ever read anything thing else you would see that I want a 95-98 GT/Cobra.

3. I never said you were an idiot for liking the GT500, apperance is all opinion based, I said that if you think its performance is worth the money your crazy


How aobut you pull your head out of your ass and actually read some stuff instead of just assumgin that a person that doesnt OWN a mustang cant know anything about them.

[01L2Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jaguar D-Type

BMW doesn't build a 3 series with a V-8 engine. The 2001 BMW M3 GTR, the poster child for cheating in GT racing (within the past several years), had a 4.0 liter aluminum-block V-8 while the standard 2001 BMW M3 had a 3.2 liter iron-block I-6.

There was a production M3 with the 4L V8 it was called the M3 GTR Strasse.
http://www.fast-autos.net/bmw/bmwm3gtrstrasse.html





The next gen. M3 will have a V8 but there will never be a production Mustang with a CAMMER. BMW already said there will be no more I6 in the next M3. The reason you'll never see a big bore 305 in production is because Ford would have to offer that car/drivetrain with a 3/36,000 warranty. There's simply not enough meat between bores (thank the poor bore spacing) to maintain stock type structural rigidty when going with a 3.70" dry sleeve setup. Big bores tend to eat rings because the blocks flex under load. FWIW, a stock bore/sleeve Teksid block (96-01 Cobra, however some 01s have a WAP block AKA Mach1) will flex .002-3" when being honed. Also the cammer crate motor (Al) won't pass emissions as is with the supplied comoputer tune. The cams are close to the edge, so there's a slim chance with the right (ultra lean) tune it could pass. Then again, real N/A performance cams aren't even close to being emissions legal. FRPP does sell the cammer (I'm not even sure if they have sold one) but it has no warranty whatsoever. Ford has had big bore 305s for 10 years in mules of different sorts. If they were ever going to make production we would have seen it already. Keep in mind not all these motors will fail, and it will take some time for it to happen in some instances depending on use. I do think that it’s great that they are back in racing but they do have a huge advantage here. Even though they used the non production engine and a racing intake they still barely beat out the M3’s (it came down to the last race) that are forced to use the production based 3.2L and OEM intake.

Let’s take a look at intakes for a moment.
FR500C (note the race intake used here isn’t even the CAMMER intake it was designed and built specifically for the FR500C)


OEM M3 3.2L and OEM intake


So who has the advantage here? Like I said it’s great to seem them out there racing again however I would have like to have seen them doing it with the same kind of restrictions as their competitors.


On a side note it wasn’t BWM or Ford that won the Grand-Am Cup Series driver’s point standings. David Empringham piloted the Doncaster Racing #76 Porsche to No.1.
http://www.grandamerican.com/CONTENT...r%20Points.pdf

[AltecZX2]

god is that a beautiful motor

[TheStang00]

doesnt the FR500C run the same basic suspension set up as the gt? obviously with some racing modifcations.

if thats the case, wouldnt it kinda show that the suspension isnt as bad as its been made out to be.

but if im way off the mark here, in either case, the new suspension is still way better than the fox.