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11-20-2003, 02:09 AM | #16 | |
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Re: who knows THE REAL FACTS ON THE C6
Supposedly the Vette that will take on the new Ford GT is going to be a twin-turbo people are calling the ZL1.............not the Z06.
And, GM is going to need it as not only has the Ford GT already been dynoing waaaay north of the as-advertised 500hp rating, Ford is working on a higher hp version GT to give the new Lightning and next Cobra more room to breath hp wise without stealing any of the GT's thunder. (Think well above 600hp...more like 700 as GT's are currently dynoing in the 600hp at the crank range apparently) If GM is serious about an uber-Vette to compete with the GT I can believe the turbo bit, because there is just no way they are gonna do it against an even stronger GT with a naturally aspirated variation of the new small block they are building for the C6. Lutz doesn't like to show up to a party with too few hp so I would say the turbo theory has some legs. Without a lot more cubes and a serious multi-valve head (Like DOHC and 4-5 valves) there is just no way a naturally aspirated engine is going to match that kinda horsepower and even then it wouldn't have a big/fat torque curve like the GT. If you made the hp, it would be a revver and you would be lacking the low end torque. Three valves per cylinder and 7 liters or not, it isn't gonna happen with today's technology in a factory doable/streetable design against a blower and DOHC's. You would need more like ten liters. No shame or insult intended though, as Ford is using a blower to get there with the GT. So, if GM does decide to compete with the GT look for turbos IMO. . Also, I saw a spy shot of the C6, and it is a thousand times better looking than the C5. I didn't expect to like the fixed lights, but they look great. And before someone mentions there brothers 2000hp naturally aspirated 3 second 1/4 mile Hemi Cuda.....please remember I am referring to factory doable/buildable engines here. Pass drive by standards, pass emissions standards, run for more than five minutes at a time..... |
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11-21-2003, 09:47 AM | #17 | |
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Re: who knows THE REAL FACTS ON THE C6
Wow... turning the Vette from a sports car into a true supercar. Any word out as to how much it'll cost?
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11-21-2003, 07:53 PM | #18 | |
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11-21-2003, 07:58 PM | #19 | |
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11-21-2003, 08:15 PM | #20 | |
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Re: who knows THE REAL FACTS ON THE C6
all these pics ive seen of what might be the lights...does anyone here know the true official pics, or will we have to wait?
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11-22-2003, 06:15 AM | #21 | |
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[img]http://palmeter.com/C6Spy65.jpg[/img] ahhhhh it looks too much like a mini viper
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11-22-2003, 01:26 PM | #22 | |
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Um yeah what the hell, are they just purposely copying the Viper?
Holy shit this looks a lot like the area I stayed in at a hotel in Virginia Beach.
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11-22-2003, 04:29 PM | #23 | |
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that and the viper are true muscle cars, and they both kick ass, too bad both couldnt of been made by just like gmc or something, but might cause a fight like between firebird and camaro...
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11-27-2003, 02:23 AM | #24 | |
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AAB Memory Package AG2 Seat adjuster, power, front passenger 6-way AJ7 Air bags, frontal and side impact, driver and front passenger AK5 Air bags, dual-stage, frontal AQ9 Seats, front Sport bucket AR9 Seats, front bucket C2L Roof Package CC3 Roof panel, removable CF7 Roof panel, removable, 1-piece, body-color CJ2 Air conditioning, dual-zone, automatic CM7 Convertible top, power folding D42 Luggage shade DD0 Mirrors, inside rearview with compass and driver outside rearview DL8 Mirrors, outside rearview, power, heated, body-color F55 Magnetic Selective Ride Control FE1 Suspension, 4-wheel independent FE9 Emissions, Federal requirements G90 Axle, 3.15 performance ratio GU2 Axle, 2.73 ratio GU6 Axle, 3.42 ratio K11 Air filtration, includes pollen filter KA1 Seats, heated LS2 Engine, 6.0L LS2 V8 SFI MN6 Transmission, 6-speed manual MX0 Transmission, 4-speed automatic N37 Steering column, power telescopic NB8 Emissions override, California, Massachusetts, New York or Vermont NC7 Emissions override, Federal NE1 Emissions, Maine, Massachusetts, New York or Vermont state requirements NK4 Steering wheel, leather-wrapped QG6 Wheels, 5-spoke aluminum QG7 Wheels, polished R8C Corvette Museum Delivery U2K Sound system feature, XM Satellite Radio U3U Sound system with Navigation, ETR AM/FM stereo with CD player and MP3 playback U52 Instrumentation, analog UE1 OnStar UG1 Homelink transmitter, US8 Sound system, ETR AM/FM stereo with CD player and MP3 playback US9 Sound system, ETR AM/FM stereo with 6-disc UV6 Head-Up Display VK3 License plate bracket, front YF5 Emissions, California state requirements Z51 Performance Handling Package Trim Levels Coupe -1YY07 "Base" 1SX 1SA 1SB Convertible-1YY67 1SA 1SB SOME DETAILS Engine, 6.0L LS2 V8 SFI Are there any transmission options? - Just Manual or Automatic Is the manual transmission a Tremec T-56? YES Is the base AT a 4L65-E?-YES Axle, 2.73 ratio, limited slip 1 - Standard with (MX0) Transmission, 4-speed automatic. Axle, 3.15 performance ratio 1 - Only available with (MX0) Transmission, 4-speed automatic. Axle, 3.42 ratio, limited slip 1 - Standard with (MN6) Transmission, 6-speed manual. Tires, front P245/40ZR18, extended mobility, Eagle F1 Tires, rear P285/35ZR19, extended mobility, Eagle F1 Wheels, 5-spoke aluminum, 18" x 8.5" (45.7 cm x 21.6 cm), front and 19" x 10.0" (48.3 cm x 25.4 cm), rear Wheels, polished, 5-spoke aluminum, 18" x 8.5" (45.7 cm x 21.6 cm), front and 19" x 10.0" (48.3 cm x 25.4 cm), rear Performance Handling Package, performance-oriented package for the Gymkhana/Autocross enthusiast, includes power steering, engine oil and transmission coolers, stiffer springs and stabilizer bars, specific shock absorbers, larger brakes with cross-drilled rotors, specific tires and performance gearing, Z51-specific, 6-speed manual transmission or performance axle ratio with automatic transmission Active Handling?? -- YES, standard Is there a next-Gen Active handling being used? - Just says Active Handling Magnetic Ride? Option, not standard CM7 Convertible top, power folding, includes glass rear window with integral defogger Convertible top, manual folding, includes glass rear window with integral defogger Roof Package, includes (CF7) Roof panel, 1-piece, body-color and (CC3) Roof panel, 1-piece, transparent Front plate bracket - YES Headlamps, bi-functional high-intensity discharge, includes automatic exterior lamp control Keyless Access, with push-button start, includes 2 remote transmitters which enable automatic door unlock and open by touching door switch Power Tilt and Telescopic steering wheel?? Power Telescope Sound system with Navigation, ETR AM/FM stereo with CD player and MP3 playback, (U65) Sound system feature, Bose premium 7-speaker system, DVD navigation with GPS, 6.5" LCD color display touch screen, voice recognition, includes Radio Data System, seek-and-scan, digital clock, auto-tone control, automatic volume and TheftLock CD Changer?? - YES, 6 disk in dash option OnStar? - YES XM Radio? - YES Compass? - would be in the Navigation system... Homelink Garage Door Opener?? YES Head-Up Display, includes dot-matrix readouts for street mode, track mode with g-meter, vehicle speed, engine rpm, and readings from key gauges including water temperature, oil pressure and fuel levels Seats, heated, driver and passenger Sport seats - an option Is there a cloth seat option or are they all going to be leather?- Leather Console, floor, lockable, includes 2 covered cupholders, ashtray with cigar lighter, auxiliary power outlet and CD storage Memory? - memory everything is just a given.. Air bags, frontal and side impact, driver and front passenger (standard on everything but the super base coupe - or - I believe that on the 'vert both front and sides are standard, but on the coupe the side ones are optional.) Cargo area shade - YES Alarm System?? - Same old GM one From what I can see, it seems like there is an equipment level on the coupe called 1SX. You can't order many options on that equipment level at all, and it's just labeled as "base". I'm assuming its a low cost, no frills car?? 10U Arctic White 19U LeMans Blue Metallic1(premium extra cost color) 27U Precision Red 41U Black 67U Machine Silver Metallic 71U Daytona Sunset Orange Metallic 79U Millennium Yellow (Extra cost color) 86U Magnetic Red Metallic II Interior colors - Ebony - Cobalt Red - Steel Gray - Cashmere Speakers in the seats - Not sure, although I suspect they are Bluetooth capability? - DON'T KNOW Are there any engine options?-NO Is the rear hatch polycarbonate? - NO Is there a magnesium wheel option? - NO Is the hood carbon fiber - even as an option? - NO Is the exhaust made of titanium? - NO Radio controls on steering wheel? - NO Paddle shift? - NO Adaptive Cruise Control?? - NO Nightvision?? - NO Rain Sensing Windshield Wipers??- Doesn't seem like it Cassette player? - Doesn't look like there is Body Side Moldings are DEAD Nothing on frame material.. 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11-28-2003, 05:24 AM | #25 | |
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Re: who knows THE REAL FACTS ON THE C6
Base C6:
6.0L V8 with 400hp Z06: 6.4L V8 with 500hp (3-valve heads) ZL1: Unknown displacement, unknown engine configuration, and unknown power adders. Best guess is that it will be a 6.4L or 7.0L V8 TT with 3-valve heads pushing 600+hp. I agree with syr74, the ZL1 will have to be an absolute monster if it wants to touch the Ford GT. A future Car & Driver issue will show the GT to trap at 128 in the 1/4 mile and will do 0-150 in 16.9 seconds. For example, Porsche's specs for the GT2 state 0-150 as 20 seconds for the GT2. The Ford GT is literally going to be the fastest car one can buy other than the Carrera GT or Enzo. The new GT is arguably faster than the Saleen S7 (which is powered by a Ford built 7.0L V8). |
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