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Old 11-20-2003, 02:09 AM   #16
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Re: who knows THE REAL FACTS ON THE C6

Supposedly the Vette that will take on the new Ford GT is going to be a twin-turbo people are calling the ZL1.............not the Z06.

And, GM is going to need it as not only has the Ford GT already been dynoing waaaay north of the as-advertised 500hp rating, Ford is working on a higher hp version GT to give the new Lightning and next Cobra more room to breath hp wise without stealing any of the GT's thunder. (Think well above 600hp...more like 700 as GT's are currently dynoing in the 600hp at the crank range apparently)

If GM is serious about an uber-Vette to compete with the GT I can believe the turbo bit, because there is just no way they are gonna do it against an even stronger GT with a naturally aspirated variation of the new small block they are building for the C6. Lutz doesn't like to show up to a party with too few hp so I would say the turbo theory has some legs.

Without a lot more cubes and a serious multi-valve head (Like DOHC and 4-5 valves) there is just no way a naturally aspirated engine is going to match that kinda horsepower and even then it wouldn't have a big/fat torque curve like the GT. If you made the hp, it would be a revver and you would be lacking the low end torque.

Three valves per cylinder and 7 liters or not, it isn't gonna happen with today's technology in a factory doable/streetable design against a blower and DOHC's. You would need more like ten liters. No shame or insult intended though, as Ford is using a blower to get there with the GT. So, if GM does decide to compete with the GT look for turbos IMO.

. Also, I saw a spy shot of the C6, and it is a thousand times better looking than the C5. I didn't expect to like the fixed lights, but they look great.

And before someone mentions there brothers 2000hp naturally aspirated 3 second 1/4 mile Hemi Cuda.....please remember I am referring to factory doable/buildable engines here. Pass drive by standards, pass emissions standards, run for more than five minutes at a time.....
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Old 11-21-2003, 09:47 AM   #17
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Wow... turning the Vette from a sports car into a true supercar. Any word out as to how much it'll cost?
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Old 11-21-2003, 07:53 PM   #18
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Old 11-21-2003, 07:58 PM   #19
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And check this out..on page 2 is the real deal

http://palmeter.com/CorvetteTimelineW11P06.htm
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Old 11-21-2003, 08:15 PM   #20
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Re: who knows THE REAL FACTS ON THE C6

all these pics ive seen of what might be the lights...does anyone here know the true official pics, or will we have to wait?
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[img]http://palmeter.com/C6Spy65.jpg[/img] ahhhhh it looks too much like a mini viper
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Old 11-22-2003, 01:26 PM   #22
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Um yeah what the hell, are they just purposely copying the Viper?

Holy shit this looks a lot like the area I stayed in at a hotel in Virginia Beach.

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Old 11-22-2003, 04:29 PM   #23
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that and the viper are true muscle cars, and they both kick ass, too bad both couldnt of been made by just like gmc or something, but might cause a fight like between firebird and camaro...
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AAB Memory Package
AG2 Seat adjuster, power, front passenger 6-way
AJ7 Air bags, frontal and side impact, driver and front passenger
AK5 Air bags, dual-stage, frontal
AQ9 Seats, front Sport bucket
AR9 Seats, front bucket
C2L Roof Package
CC3 Roof panel, removable
CF7 Roof panel, removable, 1-piece, body-color
CJ2 Air conditioning, dual-zone, automatic
CM7 Convertible top, power folding
D42 Luggage shade
DD0 Mirrors, inside rearview with compass and driver outside rearview
DL8 Mirrors, outside rearview, power, heated, body-color
F55 Magnetic Selective Ride Control
FE1 Suspension, 4-wheel independent
FE9 Emissions, Federal requirements
G90 Axle, 3.15 performance ratio
GU2 Axle, 2.73 ratio
GU6 Axle, 3.42 ratio
K11 Air filtration, includes pollen filter
KA1 Seats, heated
LS2 Engine, 6.0L LS2 V8 SFI
MN6 Transmission, 6-speed manual
MX0 Transmission, 4-speed automatic
N37 Steering column, power telescopic
NB8 Emissions override, California, Massachusetts, New York or Vermont
NC7 Emissions override, Federal
NE1 Emissions, Maine, Massachusetts, New York or Vermont state requirements
NK4 Steering wheel, leather-wrapped
QG6 Wheels, 5-spoke aluminum
QG7 Wheels, polished
R8C Corvette Museum Delivery
U2K Sound system feature, XM Satellite Radio
U3U Sound system with Navigation, ETR AM/FM stereo with CD player and MP3 playback
U52 Instrumentation, analog
UE1 OnStar
UG1 Homelink transmitter,
US8 Sound system, ETR AM/FM stereo with CD player and MP3 playback
US9 Sound system, ETR AM/FM stereo with 6-disc
UV6 Head-Up Display
VK3 License plate bracket, front
YF5 Emissions, California state requirements
Z51 Performance Handling Package

Trim Levels
Coupe -1YY07
"Base" 1SX
1SA
1SB

Convertible-1YY67
1SA
1SB

SOME DETAILS

Engine, 6.0L LS2 V8 SFI

Are there any transmission options? - Just Manual or Automatic
Is the manual transmission a Tremec T-56? YES
Is the base AT a 4L65-E?-YES

Axle, 2.73 ratio, limited slip
1 - Standard with (MX0) Transmission, 4-speed automatic.

Axle, 3.15 performance ratio
1 - Only available with (MX0) Transmission, 4-speed automatic.

Axle, 3.42 ratio, limited slip
1 - Standard with (MN6) Transmission, 6-speed manual.

Tires, front P245/40ZR18, extended mobility, Eagle F1
Tires, rear P285/35ZR19, extended mobility, Eagle F1

Wheels, 5-spoke aluminum, 18" x 8.5" (45.7 cm x 21.6 cm), front and 19" x 10.0" (48.3 cm x 25.4 cm), rear

Wheels, polished, 5-spoke aluminum, 18" x 8.5" (45.7 cm x 21.6 cm), front and 19" x 10.0" (48.3 cm x 25.4 cm), rear

Performance Handling Package, performance-oriented package for the Gymkhana/Autocross enthusiast, includes power steering, engine oil and transmission coolers, stiffer springs and stabilizer bars, specific shock absorbers, larger brakes with cross-drilled rotors, specific tires and performance gearing, Z51-specific, 6-speed manual transmission or performance axle ratio with automatic transmission

Active Handling?? -- YES, standard
Is there a next-Gen Active handling being used? - Just says Active Handling
Magnetic Ride? Option, not standard

CM7 Convertible top, power folding, includes glass rear window with integral defogger

Convertible top, manual folding, includes glass rear window with integral defogger

Roof Package, includes (CF7) Roof panel, 1-piece, body-color and (CC3) Roof panel, 1-piece, transparent

Front plate bracket - YES

Headlamps, bi-functional high-intensity discharge, includes automatic exterior lamp control

Keyless Access, with push-button start, includes 2 remote transmitters which enable automatic door unlock and open by touching door switch
Power Tilt and Telescopic steering wheel?? Power Telescope

Sound system with Navigation, ETR AM/FM stereo with CD player and MP3 playback, (U65) Sound system feature, Bose premium 7-speaker system, DVD navigation with GPS, 6.5" LCD color display touch screen, voice recognition, includes Radio Data System, seek-and-scan, digital clock, auto-tone control, automatic volume and TheftLock

CD Changer?? - YES, 6 disk in dash option
OnStar? - YES
XM Radio? - YES

Compass? - would be in the Navigation system...

Homelink Garage Door Opener?? YES

Head-Up Display, includes dot-matrix readouts for street mode, track mode with g-meter, vehicle speed, engine rpm, and readings from key gauges including water temperature, oil pressure and fuel levels

Seats, heated, driver and passenger

Sport seats - an option
Is there a cloth seat option or are they all going to be leather?- Leather

Console, floor, lockable, includes 2 covered cupholders, ashtray with cigar lighter, auxiliary power outlet and CD storage

Memory? - memory everything is just a given..

Air bags, frontal and side impact, driver and front passenger (standard on everything but the super base coupe - or - I believe that on the 'vert both front and sides are standard, but on the coupe the side ones are optional.)

Cargo area shade - YES

Alarm System?? - Same old GM one

From what I can see, it seems like there is an equipment level on the coupe called 1SX. You can't order many options on that equipment level at all, and it's just labeled as "base". I'm assuming its a low cost, no frills car??

10U Arctic White
19U LeMans Blue Metallic1(premium extra cost color)
27U Precision Red
41U Black
67U Machine Silver Metallic
71U Daytona Sunset Orange Metallic
79U Millennium Yellow (Extra cost color)
86U Magnetic Red Metallic II

Interior colors
- Ebony
- Cobalt Red
- Steel Gray
- Cashmere


Speakers in the seats - Not sure, although I suspect they are
Bluetooth capability? - DON'T KNOW

Are there any engine options?-NO
Is the rear hatch polycarbonate? - NO
Is there a magnesium wheel option? - NO
Is the hood carbon fiber - even as an option? - NO
Is the exhaust made of titanium? - NO
Radio controls on steering wheel? - NO
Paddle shift? - NO
Adaptive Cruise Control?? - NO
Nightvision?? - NO
Rain Sensing Windshield Wipers??- Doesn't seem like it
Cassette player? - Doesn't look like there is
Body Side Moldings are DEAD
Nothing on frame material..
Sorry, no more Torch Red
Sorry, no purple

November 23, 2003 - Above - Specs and speculation about specs provided by Zane Merva from GM-Trucks.com
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Old 11-28-2003, 05:24 AM   #25
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Re: who knows THE REAL FACTS ON THE C6

Base C6:
6.0L V8 with 400hp
Z06:
6.4L V8 with 500hp (3-valve heads)
ZL1:
Unknown displacement, unknown engine configuration, and unknown power adders.
Best guess is that it will be a 6.4L or 7.0L V8 TT with 3-valve heads pushing 600+hp.


I agree with syr74, the ZL1 will have to be an absolute monster if it wants to touch the Ford GT. A future Car & Driver issue will show the GT to trap at 128 in the 1/4 mile and will do 0-150 in 16.9 seconds. For example, Porsche's specs for the GT2 state 0-150 as 20 seconds for the GT2. The Ford GT is literally going to be the fastest car one can buy other than the Carrera GT or Enzo. The new GT is arguably faster than the Saleen S7 (which is powered by a Ford built 7.0L V8).
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