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Old 08-31-2005, 09:16 AM   #1
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Leaf Blower

http://videos.streetfire.net/player....D-A1AD23CA9564

I always said it worked. There's my proof.
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Old 08-31-2005, 12:57 PM   #2
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nope. Doesn't work.


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Old 09-01-2005, 05:30 PM   #3
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Re: Leaf Blower

Prolly gains the power from not having the filter on...
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Old 09-01-2005, 07:51 PM   #4
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Re: Leaf Blower

they should try with both the leaf blower and the car on nitrous, sure it may work but the gains are negligeable, you're getting 3hp tops. a new intake system would get you more than that.
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Old 09-01-2005, 11:31 PM   #5
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Re: Re: Leaf Blower

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Prolly gains the power from not having the filter on...
That is my guess, it looks like they are doing it after the filter. Of course you would have a lot of gains from not having the filter on.
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Old 09-02-2005, 08:18 AM   #6
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Re: Leaf Blower

the proof is right in front of you people!

fine, gains from a turbo are because it's AFTER the filter. Leaf blowers have an air filter too, ya know?
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Old 09-02-2005, 08:45 AM   #7
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Re: Leaf Blower

no, gains from a turbo are from compression. leaf blowers do not compress, only flow.

but i dont think those gains could be had from removing a filter. i think the leafblower is providing gains but it is not at all practical.
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Old 09-02-2005, 09:13 AM   #8
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Re: Re: Leaf Blower

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no, gains from a turbo are from compression.
Just because it's shown in dyno numbers and there are a BUNCH of claims to it, I still dont believe it.

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leaf blowers do not compress, only flow. but i dont think those gains could be had from removing a filter. i think the leafblower is providing gains but it is not at all practical.
They do compress to about .7psi. Where that .7psi > -x.xxpsi. It is working but not practical, yes, but may this open the door to those "scams" of electrical "supercharger" fans?
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Old 09-02-2005, 09:39 AM   #9
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Re: Leaf Blower

honestly i think it worked....it didn't impress me w/ the numbers, but there is now proof that a leaf blower does flow enough air under enough pressure to actually increase horseower.

I also thought that the NAAWWWWZZZZ was a nice addition to the video.
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Re: Re: Leaf Blower

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the proof is right in front of you people!

fine, gains from a turbo are because it's AFTER the filter. Leaf blowers have an air filter too, ya know?
The point is, of course you're going to make 20 more horsepower when you remove a restriction such as the air filter from the equation. We are saying that the power gains aren't from the fact that the leaf blower is there we are saying the power gains are caused by the fact that there is no air filter to block airflow.
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Re: Leaf Blower

you dont make 20 more horsepower by removing the air filter.
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Old 09-02-2005, 05:00 PM   #12
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Re: Re: Leaf Blower

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no, gains from a turbo are from compression. leaf blowers do not compress, only flow.

but i dont think those gains could be had from removing a filter. i think the leafblower is providing gains but it is not at all practical.
Actually this is slighly inaccurate. All any pump does is flow. The resistance to flow is what creates pressure. A properly designed centrifugal compressor is just capable of flowing the adequate amount of air to create pressure in the intake manifold even when pressure is present. Pressure in this case does not stop flow as long as enough air is flowing through the engine to avoid surge. Just the design of a leafblower doesn't allow for flow past ~1psi.

Somebody fill me in on car info. Yes I already got the 20hp. I have T3h WeakSauc3 internet.

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It is working but not practical, yes, but may this open the door to those "scams" of electrical "supercharger" fans?
Electric superchargers are still a scam. You cannot possibly expect to get more work out of something than you put into it. AKA energy. It will require more electricity to run than it will create in mechanical work if you were to convert electricity to mechanical work or visa versa. Energy loss is inevitable. So if something requries 10 units of energy to run assuming no energy loss, then you would need say 11 units of energy if you knew the machine ran at 90% efficiency. If it did run at 100% efficiency, then you would come out equal in the end. There is no possible way to put in nine units of energy and get 10 units of mechanical work out.

So how much electricity does your alternator create?

Cool that you finally did find proof tho. I know you were pretty worked up about it a while ago.lol Glad to see you go through with what you think. Not common these days.
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Old 09-02-2005, 05:01 PM   #13
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Re: Re: Leaf Blower

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you dont make 20 more horsepower by removing the air filter.
'tis true, only go-faster stripes have such a good money-to-power ratio.
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Re: Re: Leaf Blower

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you dont make 20 more horsepower by removing the air filter.
Well, it is a pretty big restriction. I'm not trying to say it doesn't work. I'm just saying that it would be a much more acurate test if the filter were still in place.
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Old 09-02-2005, 07:43 PM   #15
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Re: Leaf Blower

or if they did both without the filter
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