Rankings: Compact cars

[error54]

The ford focus is a good American compact. Reliable like an import but better looking than a Neon. IMO.

[MR2Driver]

The real competition here would be a SRT-4 vs AE86 vs Civic-R

[nacho_nissan]

Originally Posted by Toyrolla

I vote Corolla, because it's been in existence longer than a Sentra, plus it has progressed far more performance-wise than any Sentra known on this planet.

When you can find a Sentra that can run 8 secs or lower in the quarter mile on a turbocharged 4cyl engine, then come talk to me. Until then, I vote Corolla!

The ONLY car that can make a Corolla stand for 2nd place is a 68-72 Datsun 510, which is way more advanced in it's old age than any Sentra you can put up on the board.

Just because a Sentra is a Nissan doesn't give it any right to sit next to a 68-72 Datsun 510. No way!!!

The Datsun 510 was proven to be way ahead if its time compared to a Sentra. Back in 68, the 510 already had independent rear suspension. In addition, the Datsun 510 has a racing history unmatched to any sport compact car from past, present, & future (Peter Brock - BRE Racing).

Honda Civic shouldn't even been on the poll in the first place because they were never performance cars by design in the first place. They only got exposure for performance from the so-called "import performance rags" like Stupid Street and SportHonda Car; which in turn, got aftermarket companies to cater to the H-car P.O.S grocery getter so they can do the necessary R&D in order to feed the young kids in order to make easy money.

Those Honda owners who wise up end up selling that H-crap to get a real performance car, like a Toyota Supra.

This is why people like Stephan Papadakis and his $$$ sponsorship dollars spent custom made RWD Civic will still get his ass kicked by a shadetree homemade turbo Toyota Starlet when he sets foot in Raceway Park, Englishtown....

Based on your poll - Toyota Corolla
True performance sport compact car ever made - '68-73 Datsun 510.

If you want to post a poll on real sport compacts, then put the right cars on the poll. You put a Chevy Crapalier, but did not put a Toyota Celica, which not only been in existence longer, but also has the record for the first FWD car to ever run single digit ET's
(HKS Celica - 9secs).

Cavalier came out in 83, Celica came out in 76-77.

Cavalier didn't get any perfomance exposure until 92, so it's still and will remain a piece of crap. I owned a 84 Crapalier and it couldn't even take NOS.

Neon? Don't make me laugh. That's a car that WISHES it could be a Honduh, which is still nothing to be proud of.

Focus?
No way, you must mean Ford RS Escort (AWD 4cyl turbo Cosworth).

Mazda Protege? Noooo.
1st & 2nd Gen RX-7 is a performance compact compared to Protege. I would at least give you credit if you included the Miata, which is more performance oriented than the Protege can ever be.

You didn't include the Mitsu Eclipse/Eagle Talon, which has a right to be on this poll as a proven performance sport compact. It has more right than a Crapalier or a Civic.

VW Corrado G60 - Automatically justifies the Honda Civic for not even being on the poll in the first place.

S13 Nissan 240SX is a proven performance compact. Why not on poll?

Toyota MR2, why not on poll? This was the only US spec car that carried the 4A-GZE supercharged engine.

hey man, i think your stuck back i the 80's. what new stok corolla can beat a QR25 powered sentra?(SE-R Spec-V). good you at least showed up those honda boys. not hating on civics, but the truth is, the ONLY reason people started to fix civics is because they did look better than any other econobox back in the late 80's(CRX) and early 90's(civics). then every little ricer who wanted to be "kool" went out and started geting a civic! and so did theyr moms!

[nacho_nissan]

Originally Posted by Lachean

The real competition here would be a SRT-4 vs AE86 vs Civic-R

got my money on the 4AGE, even tho it's about 18 year old technology, i think it is better(reliable) than a little SRT-4 crap. SRT-4 is a car made for little girls who want to be "in the scene"!! civic R? ...good n/a engine, but no, FWD..not hardcore!

[Demon_Mustang]

I'm reading all these posts about Japanese cars and all these different model numbers and whatever. Obviously I am not an expert in cars, and I never claimed to be. Almost everything I've said so far is out of personal experiences. What I wonder is, with American cars, like the Mustang for example, there is the GT model, LX, Cobra, and like Boss and whatever else they had, but it wasn't that many. How many different variations of Japanese cars are there? I see all the sedans with EX, LX, RS, RL, etc. etc. etc. I have no idea how to keep up with so many different things!

Then again, I guess if you look at any specific cars, there are specific differences between the years that made them different, but even then, it's so much more complicated with Japanese cars than with American cars, at least from what I've seen, if this isn't true, then sorry, just what I've personally witnessed.

[-Jayson-]

and this is a stupid comparison thread cause my Z24 will blow the doors off all those cars, but if the neon as say an SRT4 then i would get my ass handed to me. Are you comparing the crappy base models or are you comparing the performance models?

[nacho_nissan]

Originally Posted by -Jayson-

and this is a stupid comparison thread cause my Z24 will blow the doors off all those cars, but if the neon as say an SRT4 then i would get my ass handed to me. Are you comparing the crappy base models or are you comparing the performance models?

son..a spec-V will own u!

[Toyrolla]

Originally Posted by nacho_nissan

hey man, i think your stuck back i the 80's. what new stok corolla can beat a QR25 powered sentra?(SE-R Spec-V).

Funny how you would state this; yet on your very next post, you vote on a 18 year old engine such as the 4AGE.... If I must be stuck in the 80's, then you must be in the same room I'm in.

So with that being said....you see that big clicker by the coffee table, near the Van Halen poster? That's the remote for the TV, pass it over here....and pass over the Space Dust too...

The QR25 powered Sentra is a beefed up version of the normal more common Sentra, so there is no comparison there. However, the new Corolla XRS is rated only 5HP less (170HP) at 1.8L displacement than a 2.5L QR25 Sentra (175HP).

Nissan QR25 Sentra Specs

Toyota Corolla Specs (including XRS)

True, the QR25 models have more torque than a Corolla XRS; but with more displacement, it's supposed to...

So, my answer to your first question; provided that you are going to compare the two vehicles in the same class, is Yes. I think the Corolla XRS can give the QR25 powered vehicles a run for their money and likely outrun it as well. You also have to consider that the engines in the Corolla models are in the same family as those found in the Celica (including the GT-S model) and the MR-S Spyder.

Originally Posted by nacho_nissan

good you at least showed up those honda boys. not hating on civics, but the truth is, the ONLY reason people started to fix civics is because they did look better than any other econobox back in the late 80's(CRX) and early 90's(civics). then every little ricer who wanted to be "kool" went out and started geting a civic! and so did theyr moms!

Actually the truth to the matter is that the words "Honda" and "performance" were never used in the same sentence until magazines like Sport Compact Car came around. Then all of a sudden, this so called "import culture" was born. What B.S. that is...

Anyways....

When this, errrr..."import scene" popularity grew, then aftermarket people wanted in on the cash cow too. So, as a result attention was only being focused on Honda. Now you got ricers ordering everything from a mag or catalogue to go, errr...."fast"....

Well, at the same time (and even way before that), there were import cars already achieving this and much more without the commercial aftermarket support. Many of them were much older, but they still outperformed the common "import tuner" ricers:

Toyota:

Corolla - TE27, TE51, TE72, AE86, AE101, AE102, AE111, current
Celica - RA18, RA27, ST161, ST167, ST205 to current
MR-2 - SW10 to current
Supra - need I say more?

Datsun - 110, 210, 510 (Bluebird 1600/SSS), 240Z, 260Z, 280Z, 300ZX, etc...

Mazda - R100, RX-2, RX-3, RX-7 to last gen

Mitsubishi - Starion/Conquest, the original Diamond Star.

Unlike many of those listed on that poll, these cars do perform, even by today's standards. Many of them perform better than what's out there now, and unlike the cars listed above, will turn heads even when standing still....

Unlike Honda, you already saw Toyotas, Nissans, and Mazdas (old school & new) already ruling the import drag strips. It wasn't until like 3 years ago that you actually saw a Honda in Option magazine. What you mostly saw in Option were the cars from the Big 3 in Japan:

Toyota
Nissan
Mazda

Originally Posted by jayson

and this is a stupid comparison thread cause my Z24 will blow the doors off all those cars, but if the neon as say an SRT4 then i would get my ass handed to me.

.

Ummm.....yea......ok.......right......

If you're getting your ass handed to you by a SRT4, or any other Neon for that matter, then the only door that you're blowing off is your driver's side door. Because that's the only door you're going to be slammin after you just lost....I mean...."had your ass handed to you"...

Seriously though, a SRT4 Neon is a car with "all the goodies" right up front, which is why it carries a $21,000 price tag.

For that range of money, I'd rather get myself a WRX.

For half that money (or even less), I could drop in a SR20DET into one of my Datsun 510s and run the same HP range.

Later Z24 models only ran 150HP. Considering that it's a 2.4L 4-banger, it should be running more, in my opinion.

In addition, the top of the line Cavalier (LS Sport Coupe Special Edition) runs only 140HP. That's the same HP as a base Sentra or Corolla @ 1.8L, which is even more reason that it shouldn't be listed.

[nacho_nissan]

lol. cavalier? how the fuck can you even "hook" those cars up? they suck major ass! i have a 91 nissan sentra powered by a GA16DE, 5-speed, intake and exhaust. i bet ill OWN you! i love and respect nissan, toyota, mitsubishi, and mazda. i think no other compacts will be on their level.