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08-16-2007, 08:10 AM | #1 | |
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markoverclock or robbeck's 19Ts?
Something I've been debating for hte last week...which to get. I don't honestly have the time ot list the pros and cons, so I'll assume some of you know the difference and a couple others may be interested enough to read up on them yourselves. But, which would you guys go with and why?
Rob Beck markoverclock I'm also leaning towards unclipped... I basically want to run premium pump and meth on a day to day basis and be in the upper 400AWHP range. Toss in some race gas, tune a bit and shoot for mid 500s like oohnoo. I will probably need to go bigger on fuel mods and that maybe a tad optimistic, but I want to shoot for something in that range. FYI...Rob Beck's are the ones oohnoo used to hit the TD04 record (they were clipped)
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08-16-2007, 10:59 AM | #2 | |
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Re: markoverclock or robbeck's 19Ts?
OH man.. That is a tuff one.. can I ask, why are you leaning to not cliped?? just wondering.. and what fuel mods are you planing??
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08-16-2007, 02:39 PM | #3 | |
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Re: markoverclock or robbeck's 19Ts?
whenever you do find time, id love to know the pros and cons...
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08-16-2007, 11:53 PM | #4 | ||
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the Rob Beck link is for the 13Ts, but should be read (first few posts at least) to understand the process and prices. here's is RobBeck's 19T thread. ---------EDIT---------- i've been reading all 3 of the threads posted (2 Igovert posted, 1 i posted above). not finished reading, but my alternator took a crap so i gotta go pull it tonight, take it to get rebuilt tomorrow before i leave town for the weekend. a brief summary. Markoverclock 19Ts $1,600 + cores - 9B cores i assume (?) 19T-H compressor shaft (larger than standard 19T shaft) i guess he machines 9B cold side to fit 19T wheel (?) turnaround time (?) shipping insurance (?) clipping $125 RobBeck 19Ts description of costs-$1,690 + WRX turbo cores (other options available, don't send cores & prices goes up, etc) not sure which shaft he uses, standard or H machines WRX 13T cold side to fit 19T wheel (WRX cold side has more metal to machine, 9B cold side has less material) turnaround time 2-6 weeks shipping insured to $1,500 clipping: not offered (?). but best done at time of balancing that's all for now. i gotta go pull my alternator. Blink, have you moved to TX yet? the TX Gathering is this weekend 17-19 in Dallas. i'll be out of town and i'm super bummed. /OT
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08-17-2007, 01:16 AM | #5 | |
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Re: markoverclock or robbeck's 19Ts?
Yeah that's about it. Couple other things.
Price for Rob's is 1540 without clipping, 1690 with clipping. In other thread looks like ~ 1800 without clipping, 1875 with clipping. Markoverclock offers bigger compressor covers (if wanted for an additional 250)...otherwise figure $1600 They also get bead-blasted via Mark, which while not necessary, sure looks nice. Mark's turnaround time is quoted at around 2 weeks, which I have a feeling is gonna be slightly faster than Rob's...but no guarentees. All said and done though, tracking down a good deal on 13Ts and having them shipped to me, etc...definitely adds more time. I want these suckers now...not for Christmas. While Rob's 13Ts have a huge test group, and the 19Ts have been used to hit the td04 power record on oohnoo's car...as far as I can tell, there aren't many people who have gone the route of using Mark's option, even though it's been offered for over a year now. Seems most don't want to be a guinea pig to test out the machined 9bs. The reason I'm leaning slightly towards unclipped more or less is to keep upfront costs down. While I realize TD04s wont be 'laggy' no matter what, I still am willing to sacrifice a little up top to keep faster spool up...if I want to go for more power at expense of lag, I can always, and most likely will, go TD05 later on. That and most the time I think I'll be running pump and meth, so I wont be in the range where clipping would help as much. So yeah, while I was sold on Rob's from the getgo...now I'm kinda leaning towards Mark's. Was just curious to hear other's thoughts.
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08-17-2007, 01:40 AM | #6 | ||
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08-17-2007, 02:33 AM | #7 | ||
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Re: markoverclock or robbeck's 19Ts?
i didn't read all of Markoverclock's thread, but i can only assume that he is machining a 9B instead of a WRX 13T. i would get confirmation on this. if for some reason your Markoverclock 19Ts were to crack on the compressor cover (too thin a wall), ask Mark if he would warrant his work or what the likelihood is of this happening. for you, the deciding factor is time, in which case i would choose Markoverclock.
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08-17-2007, 10:53 AM | #8 | |
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Re: markoverclock or robbeck's 19Ts?
Check out this link.. you can learn a lot of you have not seen this before
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08-18-2007, 01:55 AM | #9 | |
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emange ultimate is on the way
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08-18-2007, 09:03 PM | #12 | |
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Re: markoverclock or robbeck's 19Ts?
i dont know much about markoverclock's products, but i know rob beck's stuff is pretty good. I installed a pair of his 13T's on a friend's car and neither him nor I had any complaints.
I would also try to tach on an adjustable fuel pressure regulator onto that list. To me, it just seems necessary to have when you upgrade your fuel pump since it increases your overall fuel pressure.
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08-19-2007, 05:29 PM | #13 | ||
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08-19-2007, 07:25 PM | #14 | |
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Re: markoverclock or robbeck's 19Ts?
Yeah forgot to mention, but I was gonna get an AEM FPR on ebay in teh coming weeks as well.
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