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Old 02-15-2003, 10:27 AM   #16
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Man that can go either way. You know of any Corvettes in your area running 8's street legally? I sure as hell don't.

427TT bah, I'd rather have an L-88 427.
Thankyou man lol how many Vettes I know (street legal) running 8's 1 thats it...

and I'm guessing the 427TT that ran that 8.95 had the boost up so it was able to run and snag that 8.95. Theres no way on 8-10 lbs its gonna run 8.95 with what around 500-650 HP I doubt it. but dont jump down my throat man Im not 100% positive
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This is the only one that I know of running 8s...I was just curious about the Supras, I wasn't aware of any. No, the 427TT did not have the boost turned up. This is the car Lingenfelter is using to establish the numbers it puts out for PR. Its still under warranty.

A 427TT running stock boost is putting out over 850hp from what I've heard. A N/A 427 is probably making between 500 and 600 hp...after all, its using the same block that the C5-R uses, but detuned for street use. The C5-R makes 620hp in race form, but it is running restrictors that the street 427 isn't.
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This is the only one that I know of running 8s...I was just curious about the Supras, I wasn't aware of any. No, the 427TT did not have the boost turned up. This is the car Lingenfelter is using to establish the numbers it puts out for PR. Its still under warranty.

A 427TT running stock boost is putting out over 850hp from what I've heard. A N/A 427 is probably making between 500 and 600 hp...after all, its using the same block that the C5-R uses, but detuned for street use. The C5-R makes 620hp in race form, but it is running restrictors that the street 427 isn't.
Ok so Lingenfelter puts more pounds of boost on whats the 427TT gonna run. I just find it a little odd that it runs in the 8's and it is still lstreet legal. And if the C5-r is running restrictors and the 427 isnt how is it street legal?
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I have no idea what it would run with more boost. Aren't some Supras running over 30 lbs of boost and pushing 1000 hp? I imagine the lingenfelter would have more power than this, due to the fact that it has more than double the displacement. This would probably equate to low-mid 8s with a much higher trap speed (with much more power than it already has, traction would become an issue.)

The restrictors have nothing to do with it being DOT certified, the restrictors are used to legalize it in the American Le Mans series under the regulations. They restrict it in order to equalize competition.

By removing the restrictors, the 427 would gain power. It would also lose power in order to make it street legal and reliable by adding a restrictive exhaust system, lowering compression, retarding timing, etc. Basically its a trade off.
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I have no idea what it would run with more boost. Aren't some Supras running over 30 lbs of boost and pushing 1000 hp? I imagine the lingenfelter would have more power than this, due to the fact that it has more than double the displacement. This would probably equate to low-mid 8s with a much higher trap speed (with much more power than it already has, traction would become an issue.)

The restrictors have nothing to do with it being DOT certified, the restrictors are used to legalize it in the American Le Mans series under the regulations. They restrict it in order to equalize competition.

By removing the restrictors, the 427 would gain power. It would also lose power in order to make it street legal and reliable by adding a restrictive exhaust system, lowering compression, retarding timing, etc. Basically its a trade off.
So I doubt it was street legal running 8.95...
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why do you say this? it has a full interior, meets emission and safety standards, and has DOT streets. It is street legal.
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At any given time on any given day anything can happen. Personally I can't stand rice burners but you have to be impressed with what they can accomplish. Putting down one brand or another only means you do not fully appreciate cars in general.
Damn talking about doubletalk, you say on one hand you can't stand RICEBURNERS and then you say PUTTING DOWN ONE BRAND OR ANOTHER ONLY MEANS YOU DO NOT FULLY APPRECIATE CARS IN GENERAL.

Isn't this what you just did by calling Japanese cars "RICEBURNERS"?

Talking about a superiority complex, shees stop hating and contradicting yourself at the same time.
You sound like one of those "I drive a Corvette so I'm better than everybody guys", very hypocritical don't you think.
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Damn talking about doubletalk, you say on one hand you can't stand RICEBURNERS and then you say PUTTING DOWN ONE BRAND OR ANOTHER ONLY MEANS YOU DO NOT FULLY APPRECIATE CARS IN GENERAL.

Isn't this what you just did by calling Japanese cars "RICEBURNERS"?

Talking about a superiority complex, shees stop hating and contradicting yourself at the same time.
You sound like one of those "I drive a Corvette so I'm better than everybody guys", very hypocritical don't you think.
He didn't put them down, he just stated his opinion, did'nt you finish reading where he says
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Geeez..let me rephrase... they are not my car of choice. Didnt know I'd ruffle so many feathers..sorry.

bk2kmax I don't hate any vehicles except the ones that aren't taken care of but thats another story. I do not drive a Corvette nor do I want to, I get to drive them all day long. And if you really want to know I have a 01 Cav and an 01 S10 Blazer, and a 90 S10 pickup.
I prefer "old" cars to the new ones for my horsepower.
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I have no idea what it would run with more boost. Aren't some Supras running over 30 lbs of boost and pushing 1000 hp? I imagine the lingenfelter would have more power than this, due to the fact that it has more than double the displacement. This would probably equate to low-mid 8s with a much higher trap speed (with much more power than it already has, traction would become an issue.)

The restrictors have nothing to do with it being DOT certified, the restrictors are used to legalize it in the American Le Mans series under the regulations. They restrict it in order to equalize competition.

By removing the restrictors, the 427 would gain power. It would also lose power in order to make it street legal and reliable by adding a restrictive exhaust system, lowering compression, retarding timing, etc. Basically its a trade off.
Yes, and this is where i get pissed off at LeMans regulations. Where is there a Corvette coming out with a 427?? No where. The M3 put a V-8 in it and they got screwed just because they were winning. The Vipers had to get detuned also because they were winning. Pure bullshit, pure bullshit man. I hate it.
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I don't know what race it was but wasn't there a race where the Viper was forced to go with a V8 cuz the V10 was kicking too much ass? What V8 did they go with anyways, the hemi?
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He was just saying that they have to restrict the V-10, not transplant a V8.

V10...how fair is it to allow someone to run an 8 liter engine and someone else be forced to run a 5.7 liter, but both can be the same weight? Who do you think will win every time. The 427 is not a completely new engine, either, just a modified version of the standard small block. Rules call for production based engines with displacements less than 8., which the 427 is. How many Vipers are running around with full carbon fiber bodies and racing coil-overs at all four corners?

I think that the M3 should have been booted....they never built the M3 CSL that it was based on, which they claimed would be built. I don't see any reason why the current engine layout in the M3 couldn't be made competetive, after all, the Porsche flat 6 is. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see more competition, but they should all play by the same rules.
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Geeez..let me rephrase... they are not my car of choice. Didnt know I'd ruffle so many feathers..sorry.

bk2kmax I don't hate any vehicles except the ones that aren't taken care of but thats another story. I do not drive a Corvette nor do I want to, I get to drive them all day long. And if you really want to know I have a 01 Cav and an 01 S10 Blazer, and a 90 S10 pickup.
I prefer "old" cars to the new ones for my horsepower.
Okay, so what does the term or racist name "RICERBURNER" mean? Is that not a slang term for Japanese vehicles, IMO it is a sign of discontent no matter what you may say.

It's just like calling an Asian a "Slanteye" or something that demeans or puts down someone or something because it's different or not what you think is the best.

I understand it's not your car of choice (since it's obvious you generalized every Japanese car by saying "IT") by saying "RICEBURNERS".

I'm not trying to start anything as far as an argument, it's just like someone was saying at the BMW Forum that every Japanese car is a Ricer<not really knowing what that term means even to those of us who own Japanese vehicles.

I love Corvettes that's why I visit this forum, I've always loved them and I have a healthy enough respect for them not to put them down in no way, shape, form or fashion.

Why can't anyone who drives a non American or in this case a Japanese car get the same respect by not using negative connotative words to describe the makes of cars that you are talking about?
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He was just saying that they have to restrict the V-10, not transplant a V8.

V10...how fair is it to allow someone to run an 8 liter engine and someone else be forced to run a 5.7 liter, but both can be the same weight? Who do you think will win every time. The 427 is not a completely new engine, either, just a modified version of the standard small block. Rules call for production based engines with displacements less than 8., which the 427 is. How many Vipers are running around with full carbon fiber bodies and racing coil-overs at all four corners?

I think that the M3 should have been booted....they never built the M3 CSL that it was based on, which they claimed would be built. I don't see any reason why the current engine layout in the M3 couldn't be made competetive, after all, the Porsche flat 6 is. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see more competition, but they should all play by the same rules.
8 Litre maximum displacement?? There go thoughts for the new Competiton Coupe to be in GTS classes. I dont think you should necessarily bring fair up, look at the Porsche, they kick ass with what, a 3.6 litre?? And the M3, I loved that car, I was more hoping they'd produce it so that it could race. I thought that was a pretty impressive car.
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Okay, so what does the term or racist name "RICERBURNER" mean? Is that not a slang term for Japanese vehicles, IMO it is a sign of discontent no matter what you may say.

It's just like calling an Asian a "Slanteye" or something that demeans or puts down someone or something because it's different or not what you think is the best.

I understand it's not your car of choice (since it's obvious you generalized every Japanese car by saying "IT") by saying "RICEBURNERS".

I'm not trying to start anything as far as an argument, it's just like someone was saying at the BMW Forum that every Japanese car is a Ricer<not really knowing what that term means even to those of us who own Japanese vehicles.

I love Corvettes that's why I visit this forum, I've always loved them and I have a healthy enough respect for them not to put them down in no way, shape, form or fashion.

Why can't anyone who drives a non American or in this case a Japanese car get the same respect by not using negative connotative words to describe the makes of cars that you are talking about?
If I thought it was demeaning or racist I wouldnt have said it. It's you opinion as you said, your entitled to that. As for respect, I never said I didn't have that in fact I believe I said I did. I am truly sorry if I offended anyone by that remark. Around here thats what they are called, including the guys that run them.
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