civics worth it??

[street_racer_00]

Originally posted by Fliquer
In general, I see more domestic bashing from the import guys than import bashing from the domestic guys.

Can't convince me of that

[Fliquer]

I cant convince you that I SEE more domestic bashing than import bashing? Exactly how did you find out where I've been and what I've seen and heard?

[Cbass]

I think you are making a major mistake in your distinctions here guys. Sure, there are domestic guys. There are import guys. There are also Honda guys. These are the guys who try to convince you their CRX/Civic/Prelude/Accord is some sort of big block terrorizing rocket. Like that stock engined turbo CRX running 12s with the entire car intact.

I think all of us, import, domestic, everyone here can agree, we hate these guys. CivixEX, you're right. I am a Honda hater. Not because of the company Honda built, or the cars that they build today, but because of idiots like you. I feel nothing more towards a Civic than I do towards an Escort, or a Neon. Let's face it people, they are the Mopeds of cars! Live with it.

[DeViL]

Yeah thats how I see it when it comes to Japanese cars. I hate the Honda Boys. Nissan makes some pretty good cars, hell I'd almost consider them the muscle cars of Japan. There are other companies out there that just make faster cars. Sure Honda has their NSX, that thing is expensive as hell though. Its like paying for a damn Ferrari or something.

Haha haters yeah sure CivicEX. I hate your Honda's. Funny thing is, my Trans Am is around 14 years old now, 60,000 miles on it, and an automatic. And I would still kick your little 4 banger's asses. If you actually had a CRX in the 12's yeah you'd kick my ass but lets face it you don't. Hell I bet the S-10 will whip your Honda as well.

[Cbass]

Oh yeah, I wish to clarify. I don't hate Honda owners either, just ones like CivixEX. Oh yeah, anyone who will call me a hater. Them too.

[peashooter]

get a CRX they are cheaper and lighter. Plus after an engine swap you will have a nice car that still gets good milage. And Great handling! And if you get an HF and swap the engine with say a b18c then you have a SWEET sleeper. Lol imagine getting beat by a "hf" that would make you feel dumb. HF's are also the lightest model.

[Layla's Keeper]

I basically can't stand any car owner who can't admit that there are good cars wherever you look. Import guys who say American cars suck, sports car drivers who hate compacts (some of the things I've heard fellow B owners say about compact drivers make me ashamed to be amongst them), and so forth. A Civic has potential to be a quick, fun little car, but it isn't a device for warping time and space. It'll still be limited to the laws of physics unless you really start modifying it. Yes, I've seen 9 second FF Civics, but those are cars like Steph Papadakis's tube frame, turbocharged Civic with the engine mounted longitudinally in front of the transaxle (DTM style).

I can admit to cars being faster than mine because I'm comfortable with my car's faults. She runs hot, is very cranky during high humidity days, fouls plugs, and every time I toss her into a corner I run the risk of either spinning out or breaking my wire wheels. But if I were to rewind to the day I decided to buy her, she'd still be sittting in the garage. It seems to me that Civic owners can't admit to their cars' faults. Makes me wonder just how much they love their cars truthfully.

[street_racer_00]

it's easy to appreciate a car when you spend your first days of driving behind the wheel of a 1998 ford ranger XLT with the 4x4 package. Aniemic 3 liter V-6 engine. Top speed: 95 mph (oh you betcha I found that out by do-it-yourself). Steering? Felt like play dough. Driving excitement? Only if you take it out in the middle of a muddy field and do some donuts. The only redeeming on-road quality the truck has is that it handles pretty well in medium to high-speed corners, which is mainly because of it's long wheelbase and short overhangs. But hey, when I got my maxima, it just made it that much easier to appreciate what I have.

[DeViL]

I don't see much fun in making a...hybrid is it? Hybrid is when you take a car and swap a different engine in there that isn't an option for that car right? Like a CRX with an engine built for an Integra. Why not work with what you have as your base engine? It ain't easy money wise throwing another engine in but....I don't know I can't really think of anything to say in protest right now. To me it's like your car really isn't what it is now. Like an CRX with a Integra engine just isn't a CRX anymore. Or if I took an old Chevy Celebrity and threw in a nice 350 V8, ripped out that junky V6, it just isn't a Celebrity anymore. I guess all I can say about it is, big deal if you can swap another engine in your car.

[Cbass]

There's nothing wrong with engine swapping! There are lots of lightweight great handling cars out there, that would really benefit from a younger more powerful motor.

When you have something like a CRX, you don't have a lot of potential in the motor... I personally wouldn't waste my time with one. Civics are for grocery getting
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[Fliquer]

I agree totally with what octagon said.

[fatninja19]

By ripping out a motor and putting a bigger/better/whatever motor in... isnt that part of hot rodding?

[Cbass]

That is indeed part of hotrodding, but for some reason, it doesn't sit right with a lot of purists. Try telling one of these honda types you want a 20 valve 4AGE motor in a CRX, they'll flip. They'll probably start telling you about how inferior the 5 valve VVTI setup is compared to VTEC.

About the reliability of a Honda, they are very reliable stock. Turbocharge one and have it putting out 250hp, and we'll see what breaks first, the engine or the transmission

[Layla's Keeper]

Ech, Turbo B16's. I had a friend who tried that once. ONCE! The V-tec's have such close tolerances and are so tuned from the factory that you just can't toss another variable onto the car and hope for the best. It's probably the best way I've heard of to inspect the cylinder walls without removing the cylinder head.

I agree with you on the whole deal of cross-make swaps. When traditional hot rodders put a small block Chevy into a Nash or a Studebaker, they get compliments on their fabricating skills. When a rotary finds its way into a Datsun 510, the import crowd calls it heresy. What gives?

[Cbass]

While it's easier most of the time to swap engines into cars of the same make, I don't see a problem with putting a Chevy engine in a Ford, or a Mazda engine in a Datsun...

If it improves the car, what's the damn problem? I really want to put my V8 and G31 tranny in that RX7, just so I could show up at rotary clubs and make them all have heart attacks