Maybe we should just leave Iraq?

[freakray]

I will admit I haven't read all your posts, most of them consist of the same rhetoric and I got bored reading them.

[Raz_Kaz]

erricer,
Bush said he had WMD and you believed it, and you were lied to into going to Iraq to fight a war. What proof do you have that Saddam was going to be a threat to the US? Do you have a written letter stating that he will come and personally kill all of US citizens in their sleep Well if you beleieve Saddam is a threat to the US then I say Bush is a threat to US as well, my reason being that he is losing enormous amount of taxpayers money for a futile war and moreso the war previously on Afghanistan to bring down Osama...Maybe we should invade US and kill Bush and restore demecrocay
Al-Qaeda was the group that the American army trained to combat the Russian force, making them deadly and smart "soldiers". They then gave all that information to Osama and his mejahudin "army" (taliban) to reign over Afghanistan....BIG mistake there, giving power to an organisation that a) they knew nothing about or b)they knew their principals and still gave them control. And I never said it was ok to have these camps but these camps wuold not have existed if it were not for the American army.
The terrorist camps (Al-Qaeda camps) that were set up in Iraq most likely originated from Afghanistan, please read above.
I'm not flaming or anything, but please open your eyes, and look beyond what your being spoon-fed by the media

[erricer]

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

erricer,
Bush said he had WMD and you believed it, and you were lied to into going to Iraq to fight a war. What proof do you have that Saddam was going to be a threat to the US?

I wasn't lied to! I went to Iraq to kill terrorist, and now that I have the war was worth it for me!

Im not going to argue with you on this anymore. We both know that neither of us will agree and neither of us can persuade each others opinions! I met a girl in Iraq who's mother was killed because she would not let one of Saddam's sons rape her daughter. He killed the mother and raped the girl anyway. That story was justice enough for me to kill saddam and his sons!

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by freakray

I will admit I haven't read all your posts, most of them consist of the same rhetoric and I got bored reading them.

Then stop commenting on something you haven't read.
I get sick of your type who come in, screw up a thread and argue with no idea what you are commenting on because you were to lazy to read.

[Raz_Kaz]

Originally Posted by erricer

I wasn't lied to! I went to Iraq to kill terrorist, and now that I have the war was worth it for me!

Im not going to argue with you on this anymore. We both know that neither of us will agree and neither of us can persuade each others opinions! I met a girl in Iraq who's mother was killed because she would not let one of Saddam's sons rape her daughter. He killed the mother and raped the girl anyway. That story was justice enough for me to kill saddam and his sons!

I'm glad you served your country well into killing a threat...but the fact that you enjoyed it sickens me. I'm not trying to persuade you into thinking my way, because we all know that persuading someone into thinking your way requires to lie to uninformed people, and I don't think your that kind of person. That's great that you found a motive to go and kill Saddam, next time try looking more close to home about the same kind of problems, then you don't have to go overseas to happily kill people that piss you off

[freakray]

Originally Posted by DGB454

Then stop commenting on something you haven't read.
I get sick of your type who come in, screw up a thread and argue with no idea what you are commenting on because you were to lazy to read.

[Cbass]

Originally Posted by erricer

This entire post shows your ignorance of War and Peace! If you don't think that Saddam was a threat to the USA then you are living in a box! Sometimes the best defense is a good offense. In wwII Germany never attacked us, but we invaded them! Korea never attacked us, but we invaded them! Since we have begun this war on terrorism not one american life has been lost on US soil, thanks to the men in Iraq/Afganistan/Africa and Haiti!

In world war two, Germany declared war on the US, supporting their ally, Japan. The Germans then began targeting US vessels on the water.

In the Korean civil war, the communist north invaded the south, the south being supported by the Americans. The UN formed a coalition of many nations, which fought the North Koreans, who were supported by the Russians and the Chinese. The US was obligated to fight, to prevent the communists from overthrowing a friendly government.

In Iraq, the US embargoed, bombed and threatened the country for a decade, until they were too weak to withstand an invasion, at which point the US invaded.

As I stated before, the Bush administration never demonstrated to me that Iraq was a threat to the US. I think that the Iraqi people are currently more of a threat to the US than Hussein ever was. To start with, they're killing Americans right now. Secondly, this war in Iraq has the potential to breed countless terrorists, who can easily infiltrate the US, and commit terrorist acts.

[RedLightning]

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

Interesting how you can justify the reason that Iraq, with their supposed WMD, was invaded by American soldiers to "defend" themselves from a possible attack. Let's see so it's ok for India to bomb the hell out of Pakistan because there is a strnog possibility that they will attack...so it's a defensive thing...oh wait that's right, it's not right for them to "defend" themselves. Hey, I don't think you noticed but there were no WMD so there was n reason for them to go in Iraq, furthermore there were no ties found between Saddam and Al-Qaeda...meaning Saddam was a criminal by himself, there are no traces of any connection with a terrorist group, so how can you procalim that Iraq is a "terrorist" country....I'm just annoyed when someone comes along and labels a country after one extremist group for protection yet if another country calls America a bunch if idoits/racists then they have no cause

wow, so that guy that got his head chopped off, that was in Iraq, by an al-Quada dude, meaning that their are terrorists so in a way the U.S. was justified, as just as justified as going to Afganistan. Oh and at one point iraq did have wmd, just it seems not when we invaded, oh and for you who refuse to believe me, he used them on Iran during the Iran-Iraq war, and againts the kurds.

[Raz_Kaz]

Originally Posted by Um...Nameless Dork

wow, so that guy that got his head chopped off, that was in Iraq, by an al-Quada dude, meaning that their are terrorists so in a way the U.S. was justified, as just as justified as going to Afganistan. Oh and at one point iraq did have wmd, just it seems not when we invaded, oh and for you who refuse to believe me, he used them on Iran during the Iran-Iraq war, and againts the kurds.

The Iran-Iraq war was givien the OK from the states buddy. Like I said earlier, they may have terrorists camps present in Iraq, now tell me you don't find those sorts of camps in the States. I never said it was OK for poor Mr.Berg to have been publically executed, neither was it OK for the US military to treat the prisoners the way they did...and if your following current news then you would know the way they proceeded was in th US army guidelines. Going to Afghanistan was to get Osama...oh wait wheres he again? Iraq may have had WMD but they did they suddenly disappear when US invaded protesting that they are STILL present?

[RedLightning]

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

Iraq may have had WMD but they did they suddenly disappear when US invaded protesting that they are STILL present?

Well they did have WMD, I dont know if they had it up to when we invaded and gave it to Syria, or maybe the weapons inspectors did a better job then many think. Also did you know that the U.S.A. also gave weapons to Iran? I also doupt that the U.S. gave Iraq the go ahead to use them on Iran.

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

Going to Afghanistan was to get Osama...oh wait wheres he again?

ya he is a terrorist, we went there to get him and get rid of the terrorists in Afganistan.

[Cbass]

Originally Posted by Um...Nameless Dork

Well they did have WMD, I dont know if they had it up to when we invaded and gave it to Syria, or maybe the weapons inspectors did a better job then many think. Also did you know that the U.S.A. also gave weapons to Iran? I also doupt that the U.S. gave Iraq the go ahead to use them on Iran.

Oh yes, the argument that Iraq shipped it's weapons off to other countries at the last minute... "Quick, the Americans are coming! Send the weapons of mass destruction to Syria, so they can hide them for us, that way we can make the Americans look foolish!"

Also the argument "Ok Saddam, here are a half dozen different types of chemical and biological weapons, you can have all these cultures and formulas so you can produce your own, but you have to promise us you're not going to use them on Iran, cause that's just not cool."

Originally Posted by Um...Nameless Dork

ya he is a terrorist, we went there to get him and get rid of the terrorists in Afganistan.

Ah, to live in such a simplified world... Say, how's Afghanistan going right now? I really haven't heard anything about it on the mainstream US news, but apparently, things aren't going too well over there.

[T4 Primera]

Originally Posted by erricer

Oh how wrong you are! I never said that they had WMD! They did have several chemical and biological plants, which is a no no!

So where is the evidence of them? The world is still waiting for that to show up. Let me guess, the military told you they were there? Or did you see them with your own eyes.

If you saw them, then where are they? I'm sure the Bush administration would love to be able to produce some evidence, because so far they have got squat.

Originally Posted by erricer

They did support terrorism by the way!http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/880255/posts
Iraq had many terrorist training facilities!

Here's a quote from it:
There was little firm evidence, however, that Ansar was connected to al Qa'ida.
The story is about IraN, not IraQ, supporting Ansar against the Turkish Government in Northern Iraq. It also goes into an explanation about how and why groups like this were Saddam's enemies, not his freinds.

How do you interpret that into a threat against the US by Iraq?

I know why you interpret it that way, but what's more important is....do you?

Originally Posted by erricer

I was shot by a Syrian when we attacked through a huge terrorist training camp! We killed atleast a hundred syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians and Iranians "spell" When we searched through the camp we found many documents claiming how they would be gods in heaven if they killed an American! You don't have to believe me but I did supply you a link!

Let me get this straight, you were shot by a guy but still able to positively identify the particular shooter as a Syrian. Then, after being shot, were able to positively identify the nationalities of over 100 corpses and to top it all off, apparently you can read sanskrit.

very impressive........

Originally Posted by erricer

I never claimed that they couldn't defend themselves! I had great pride in fighting the fadayeen! Because they actually fought unlike the pussy republican gaurd!

The people of the Republican Guard are still fighting - same people, different names and allegiances. Did you think really think they are that stupid that they would stay out in the open only to be annihilated by superior air power?

Saddam had been preparing them for an invasion by the US for almost a decade. Asymmetric warfare tactics were their plan froim the start. Your so called smashing of the Republican Guard was no more than chasing a tactical retreat.

Think of it like a pack of wild dogs bringing down a wildebeast. A bite here, a bite there.....stay out of range while the beast bleeds it's strength away....

Originally Posted by erricer

You wouldn't believe how many people kissed us and thanked us for taking out Saddam!

You should have quit then while you were ahead. By the time you supposedly caught the man, those people were wondering when, and if, you would ever go home.

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by freakray

Great comeback

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by T4 Primera

Let me get this straight, you were shot by a guy but still able to positively identify the particular shooter as a Syrian. Then, after being shot, were able to positively identify the nationalities of over 100 corpses and to top it all off, apparently you can read sanskrit.

very impressive........

You are questioning a guy who was there and telling you what he saw?
You are trying to belittle someone who bravely fought for something he believes in? Someone who nearly gave his life for what America truley stands for? Freedom.

I don't know what country you are from(frankly I don't really care) but I'm guessing if it's not America that whoever it is they sent their own soldiers over to fight for the same thing. This is how you would treat them face to face? This is how you would treat one of your own countrymen who went to do something most of us would be scared to do because he believes in what his country stands for? You would question their honesty and integrity? You would treat them like they had no honor? Were you there? Did you see what they saw? Did you fight bravely beside them as they did what they believed needed to be done?

[T4 Primera]

Originally Posted by DGB454

You are questioning a guy who was there and telling you what he saw?
You are trying to belittle someone who bravely fought for something he believes in? Someone who nearly gave his life for what America truley stands for? Freedom.

I don't know what country you are from(frankly I don't really care) but I'm guessing if it's not America that whoever it is they sent their own soldiers over to fight for the same thing. This is how you would treat them face to face? This is how you would treat one of your own countrymen who went to do something most of us would be scared to do because he believes in what his country stands for? You would question their honesty and integrity? You would treat them like they had no honor? Were you there? Did you see what they saw? Did you fight bravely beside them as they did what they believed needed to be done?

I've had enough contact with soldiers to realise that close quarter combat where killing was involved is not something they like to talk about so freely. At least not after they have mentally readjusted to normal life anyway. So let's say, right or wrong, I'm suspicious.

On the subject of disrespect, ericcer called the Republican Guard pussies. So would he rather they fought out in the open where they could be annihilated by superior weaponry and overwhelming air support? Would he have thought more of them if they came out to be massacred?

My father, a WWII vet, mourned every life that was lost in war regardless of who they were. That is what I call respect. Respect for humanity and human life and dignity. Yes, even for your adversaries. To talk of lives lost as if they were points on a scoreboard is something that I can not respect.

DGB454, I'd like to to post a link for you that I posted elsewhere for ericcer to read. It explains my attitude to the futility of war better than I can do it myself.

Every soldier or would be soldier should read this. Somehow I don't think it will make it into the required reading list in the armed forces.

Here it is: General Smedley Darlington Butler