McLaren F1 (CLK) GTR?

[payso]

Anyone have anymore pictures of this car?

[BMW.WilliamsF1Team]

That's 07R and was used as a test mule for the CLK-GTR development project.

One more pic: http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/9748/07rk6cd.jpg

[payso]

So its a Short-Tail with a long body?
Any more info about this car?
and does anyone know about a crash while testing???

Thanks very much for the picture

[amanichen]

AMG bought it to build a McLaren beater:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...=163346&page=3

http://www.automotivehelper.com/topic103367.htm

[payso]

thanks amanichen, I hadnt seen that thread before! I found the picture along with these:



If you guys have seen that CLK F1 picture, then youve probably seen these too!!!

That thread was an interesting read, but still not many pictures of 07 with the kit on it.

Thanks anyway!

[amanichen]

Originally Posted by payso

That thread was an interesting read, but still not many pictures of 07 with the kit on it.

Unfortunately, the paddock photo and the crash photo are the only ones I've seen come up on here. Other people might have more pictures somewhere, seeing as the crash one looks like a scan from a magazine.

[Peloton25]

Here's the only other image I have seen of it. My German is quite rusty, but someone else here can probably do a rough translation for us.



The thing I find surprising is that this article (as I recall) suggests that #07R was actually fitted with the AMG engine, so this wasn't just for aerodynamics testing which they obviously could have done in a wind tunnel without hacking up an F1.

>8^)
ER

[Le Man]

Sorry guys ,but that is not 07R. Its a 96 GTR, I remember reading in Autosport way back, that Mercedes acquired the Deletraz/Giriox chassis making it 11R. Besides there is to many 96 spec components,to not make this a 95 GTR.

I shall look through my files for more info tonight.

(sorry to keep on correcting you guys, on GTR chassis #,s. You must be getting a bit cheesed off with me by now)

[BMW V12]

Originally Posted by Peloton25

Here's the only other image I have seen of it. My German is quite rusty, but someone else here can probably do a rough translation for us...

nice that you still have the pic....

it doesn't say very much about McLaren, just that BMW wasn't happy that Mercedes first developed a race car (CLK-GTR) and then made the road going version of it.....then there is a part in it in which they wrote about the Jarama-test, where Mercedes used a McLaren F1 GTR to test the 6 litre engine and that this test-mule set a new record for GT cars in Jarama after having problems with the front intercoolers...
they wrote, that a BMW marketing person was shocked because Mercedes used a McLaren chassis and said that BMW would have never used a Mercedes chassis to test engines in....

hope this helps...

^_^

[Le Man]

Article from Autosport mag,



I know in DA, That it says this car is 07R. But study pics of 07R and 11R and you will see that the McMerc test car is 11R. Or better still, someone provide some pictorial proof to prove me wrong. Thankyou.

[amanichen]

Originally Posted by Le Man

Article from Autosport mag,



I know in DA, That it says this car is 07R. But study pics of 07R and 11R and you will see that the McMerc test car is 11R. Or better still, someone provide some pictorial proof to prove me wrong. Thankyou.

Exactly what features should we look for to distinguish the two cars from one another?

[Le Man]

Study the two pics, Look carefully at 11R,s luggage door, door duct and front bonnet. No 95 car has ever had these fitted, The only chassis,s I know that have had these fitted are 10R,11R and 16R. The luggage door and door duct were part of the 96 LeMans aero package. Also which is not to clear on the front shot of the McMerc, is the wiper motor pivot position. It is on the cars centre line on all the 96 GTR,s.


07R...........................11R

That young lad mini magic, was on the right track in the old threads!!

[hurstg01]

Originally Posted by Le Man

I know in DA, That it says this car is 07R.

Page 227, 'AMG meanwhile bought the '95 model and were to use it as a test bed for their forthcoming V12-engined endurance challenger'

Seeing as DA was 'the official inside story of the mclaren f1' and was written by Doug Nye with Ron Dennis and Gordon Murray, i find it hard to refute that this wasn't a '95 model.

Originally Posted by Le Man

Or better still, someone provide some pictorial proof to prove me wrong. Thankyou

you are welcome

[Peloton25]

You can't compare a photo of the left side vent on #07R with the right side vent on #11R. All the short tailed GTRs have a small vent in the left side luggage door and a larger vent (identical to the one in the #11R photo) in the right side luggage door. Here is a shot of the opposite side of #07R showing the larger vent which feeds air to the oil cooler.



That said, you've made other convincing arguments and I'm not against believing that AMG used #11R instead of #07R. Things that are in conflict with that hypothesis are (as you mentioned) that DA mentions #07R was the car they used, and also one of the first ads that appeared online for #07R (we're talking 3 years ago) also made mention of the use by AMG in development of the CLK-GTR as I recall.

Some of the other details you point to could have easily been add-ons to #07R. There's nothing that I can see which makes me 100% convinced that this has to be a 1996 GTR. I really wish there was so we could put the discussion to rest.

One thing that might add some additional credibility to the #11R theory would be the date of the AutoSport magazine article you posted. Depending on when that was reported, it could actually rule out #11R (and most other '96 GTRs) since it would have still been competing in the 1996 BPR Global GT series up until November 1996 at the last race in Zhuhai, China. If that article was printed prior to January 1997 that would cast a big doubt on the possibility of #11R having been the chassis that was used.

>8^)
ER

[payso]

invite mini magic to the discussion/argument.

im sure he would make some good points here.....