i love the new TL.. i think they're really nice.. i test drove one a couple of weeks ago.. if i have to buy a sedan right now, i would definitely go with TL.. i like the way it handles and IMO, the sport shift is much better and smoother than that of 5th gen preludes... i was talking to the salesman when i test drove it, and he said he'll give it to me with 29k out the door if i pay cash.. dunno if it's a good deal or not cuz i didn't do my research when i went there... after all, i had no intension of buying one.. hehe