Our new fords and holdens pull around the 13 1/2 sec quarter so the new ones are the fastest. In between 1980 and up untill recently with the AU, there was pretty much just a whole load of nothing. Seventies mate, these were the real muscle cars, XY GTs, Phase III's, XA's XB's. The Cobra was a lot to look at, but I don't really consider a muscle car. Old GT's didn't go quite as hard, but that was 30 years ago. You'd think they'd think come up with more than a 20 kilowatt gain in 33 years. Its all the bullshit regulations and political crap that goes on. I say bring out an 11 second HO.