Here, let me restate this.. I have beat an evo, I have seen at least 2 or 3 others all run consistent mid 13's, and also saw one hit a 13.2 or something similar.. I have no problem beating them, so I don't care really what they run. The problem I have with them is I can pull on them after take off, running any speed, so therefore, its impossible to get beat by one in my mach unless I stall. I am not crazy about evos, sti's, and all those cars similar to those. I don't hate any car, but I do hate when I get on a new forum and all they want to do is argue. I am not going to argue, I have beat one, and the time on my slips beat any times I have ever seen a stock evo or sti run. I am finished with this forum, and I will not return to this site due to immaturity. I came on here to learn about cars, not to have to back mine up to people that know nothing about them. Good luck in all your races, and drive safe.. I'm out..