i don't know what its like in the States,but in England its quite hard to even get the dealers to take you seriously. The salesmen take a look at you when you walk in to the showroom and immediately take a decision on whether or not they think you can afford to buy.If,as in my case, you walk in and are not suitably attired then you might as well forget having a sensible chat about prices, but even if you are, in this country you would be hard pressed to get a free set of car mats, let alone a pound off the list price.This country is like a car manufacturers promised land though,so it would be interesting to hear what sort of discounts you chaps in the states get.