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Re: Deciphering the McLaren F1 VINs

The request from Chris had me digging through my archives this evening and in the process I found some other VINs I had reference to, most in text format from old emails. I got started compiling the rest of the list based on known patterns, however I can not be totally confident in my results due to a problem I will explain later.

If the VIN listed below is simply based on the known pattern and calculated check digit I have marked them as "assumed", otherwise I left a note as to the reference/s used to verify them. I put them in Code tables so the post wouldn't be a mile long.

XPs:

Code:
SA9AB5AC8N1048XP1 - assumed
SA9AB5AC6P1048XP2 - assumed
SA9AB5AC8P1048XP3 - assumed
SA9AB5ACXP1048XP4 - previous post, text based reference 
SA9AB5AC1P1048XP5 - assumed
F1 road cars:

Code:
SA9AB5ACXP1048001 - text based reference
SA9AB5AC1P1048002 - Brunei list
SA9AB5ACXR1048003 - photo source
SA9AB5AC1P1048004 - assumed
SA9AB5AC3R1048005 - Brunei list
SA9AB5AC5R1048006 - assumed
SA9AB5AC7R1048007 - photo source
SA9AB5AC9R1048008 - Brunei list
SA9AB5AC0R1048009 - photo source
SA9AB5AC7R1048010 - assumed
SA9AB5AC9R1048011 - auction description
SA9AB5AC0R1048012 - photo source
SA9AB5AC2R1048013 - photo source
SA9AB5AC4R1048014 - Brunei list, photo source and text based
SA9AB5AC6R1048015 - text based reference 
SA9AB5AC8R1048016 - photo source
SA9AB5ACXR1048017 - assumed
SA9AB5AC1R1048018 - text based reference 
SA9AB5ACXR1048020 - assumed
SA9AB5AC1R1048021 - assumed
SA9AB5AC3R1048022 - assumed
SA9AB5AC5R1048023 - assumed
SA9AB5AC7R1048024 - text based reference 
SA9AB5AC9R1048025 - assumed
SA9AB5AC7S1048028 - photo source
SA9AB5AC6R1048029 - assumed
SA9AB5AC7S1048031 - text based reference
SA9AB5AC0S1048033 - assumed
SA9AB5AC6S1048036 - assumed
SA9AB5AC8S1048037 - text based reference *see below
SA9AB5ACXS1048038 - photo source and text based reference
SA9AB5AC1S1048039 - assumed
SA9AB5AC8S1048040 - assumed
SA9AB5AC1S1048042 - assumed
SA9AB5AC3S1048043 - assumed
SA9AB5AC5S1048044 - assumed
SA9AB5AC7S1048045 - text based reference 
SA9AB5AC9S1048046 - assumed
SA9AB5AC0S1048047 - photo source
SA9AB5AC0T1048048 - assumed
SA9AB5AC4S1048049 - confirmed by samzbob
SA9AB5AC0S1048050 - assumed
SA9AB5AC2S1048051 - photo source (registration)
SA9AB5AC2T1048052 - assumed
SA9AB5AC6S1048053 - assumed
SA9AB5AC8T1048055 - assumed - text based reference *see below
SA9AB5AC8V1048057 - assumed
SA9AB5ACXW1048059 - assumed
SA9AB5AC1T1048060 - assumed
SA9AB5ACXV1048061 - assumed
SA9AB5AC1V1048062 - assumed
SA9AB5AC3V1048063 - photo source - sales flyer
SA9AB5AC5V1048064 - previous post (registration)
SA9AB5AC7V1048065 - photo source
SA9AB5AC9V1048066 - photo source
SA9AB5AC0V1048067 - assumed
SA9AB5AC2V1048068 - text based reference 
SA9AB5AC2W1048069 - assumed
SA9AB5AC0V1048070 - assumed
SA9AB5AC2V1048071 - photo source
SA9AB5AC2W1048072 - text based reference 
SA9AB5AC4W1048073 - auction description
SA9AB5AC8V1048074 - assumed - text based reference *see below
SA9AB5AC8W1048075 - assumed
LMs:

Code:
SA9AB5AC9T1048LM1 - Brunei list
SA9AB5AC2T1048LM2 - assumed
SA9AB5AC2T1048LM3 - photo source
SA9AB5AC4T1048LM4 - Brunei list
SA9AB5AC6T1048LM5 - Brunei list
GTs:

Code:
SA9AB5BC8T1048054 - Brunei list, then corrected by M.S.O records
SA9AB5BC5T1048058 - assumed
I did not include 'XP1 LM' or '56XPGT' on those last two lists as I am really not sure how they would have formatted the final three positions of their VINs to denote chassis numbers. Maybe the GT prototype simply ends in "056", but the LM prototype is anyone's guess. I also think the year on the LM prototype will be an "S", not a "T".

Update - 56XPGT = SA9AB5BC1T1048056 - M.S.O records

It's late, so I'm not going to put together the list of potential GTR VINs now. Actually, I am going outside to watch the lunar eclipse. opcorn: If someone else wants to do a list for the GTRs we've seen plates on, be my guest.

Now for the problem, and it's a big one - a lot of the "assumed" VINs may be inaccurate.

I first stumbled upon it with the VIN for #051. We know #051 was built in 1996 so the VIN should contain a "T" to designate the year of manufacture in the 10th position. However, in the registration that Roger provided it's clearly an "S" identifying 1995. It's hard to say just how many VINs in the list above may be wrong because of a difference in the year of manufacture and the year the VIN was assigned. For all the ones with a variance, both the 9th and 10th positions will be inaccurate. I'm betting towards the end of the list that there may be a problem with many of the assumed ones, so do not take this list as even being close to 100% accurate until each one is confirmed through another source. In fact, once I discovered the problem I almost didn't complete the post as I don't like wrong information floating around.

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As for the text based discrepancies I encountered from my sources:

Chassis #037 listed VIN SA9AAB5A6851048037 - for starters, that's a total of 18 characters - the "A" in the 5th position is a duplicate of the previous character. Also the "6" should be a "C" and the 8th to the last should be an "S". The VIN checks out when I make the logical corrections.

Chassis #055 was listed with VIN SA9AB5AC6W1048055 - the "W" was horribly inaccurate for the year and the check digit was not valid even before I corrected the year to a "T". What was listed was an invalid VIN so I think the assumption on the list above is accurate or at least closer to it. You'll notice that the first 14 characters here are identical to the next entry, so I think someone just goofed on Ralph's F1s.

Chassis #074 listed VIN SA9AB5AC6W1048074. This discrepancy could be identical to the chassis #051 scenario where the car was assigned a VIN that doesn't match the year it was completed. In fact the check digit on this VIN checks out, so it could be that the one on my list is inaccurate and this one is correct.

Finally I noted on the list that I had a photo reference for chassis #028's VIN. Most will have this shot already, but probably just forgot about it:



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