anyone know anyone with this system installed in their g20? im pondering getting a g20t this weekend....but only if there is a good aftermarket following for the car....mainly turbos.....i had a 92 300ZX TT but had to get rid of it because it ate too much gas and cost a bundle on maintenance......so i wanna see if the g20 can at least reach 200hp to battle the new se-r, rsx, impreza, eclipse gt, which are my other options....thoughts anyone?

Yes, the g20 can reach 200hp (pretty easily I think) and yes, the g20 (sr20de) has many aftermarket parts..

don't know about the Hotshot Turbo though

yeah i would figure with regular stuff like exhaust, intake, ecu, cams,headers etc etc...but with mods like that it's gonna make the car sound like a rice rocket civic....i really don't want that in my luxury car...

Originally posted by xpo
yeah i would figure with regular stuff like exhaust, intake, ecu, cams,headers etc etc...but with mods like that it's gonna make the car sound like a rice rocket civic.....

Uh.... it won't.

I can vouch for that. With the correct setup it actually sounds quite sweet! :)

I third that. No it won't, if done right!

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Originally posted by xpo
yeah i would figure with regular stuff like exhaust, intake, ecu, cams,headers etc etc...but with mods like that it's gonna make the car sound like a rice rocket civic.....
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There are a few turbo options for your car as well. Look in the December SCC and see George's DET install, that will get you an easy, safe and reliable 200+ hp. Hotshot has a kit for the SR20DE, which should work in the G20, although last time I checked they used the T3 turbo, which is not the most efficient, I believe this kit is good for about 250-320hp. Also F-max has a very nice turbo kit using a T3/T04E that can get you over 300hp, and even over 400 with the right injectors and setup.

Or you can buy a manifold or have one custom made and put your own turbo kit together using the JWT ECU as the basis. It is not all that hard to do, I did it on my 93.5 G20.

OK ...so if you don't mind me asking what is the correct set up with the least amount of noise and a fair amount of horsepower(200+)?

BTW i had a 95 200SX SE-R prior to my 92ZTT.....

my 200 was waaaaay to loud especially with the addition of an intake...i had and rs akimoto with remus exhaust....at that time (95) they didn't have much for the 200sx so i put miles on it and sold it so im no stranger to the sr20de.

How much do these turbo systems cost and what about installs and other parts needed.

www.f-max.com
www.hotshot.com

Get ready for some sticker shock if you're not used to the prices. Also there is no kit specifically for the 99+ G20's so figure a couple hundred more for some cstom piping. Also you have the no-ecu issue to. You will NOT want to put either of these kits on without a properly tuned ECU.

ok sow now you're saying there is no aftermarket following 99+ g20t's?

so in and out, pulley, clutch and flywheel is basically what im left with for a 2002 model since you really don't want to add any more items that increase air for hp without adjusting an ecu....which there isn't one...more so a turbo. back to square one.

Originally posted by xpo
ok sow now you're saying there is no aftermarket following 99+ g20t's?

so in and out, pulley, clutch and flywheel is basically what im left with for a 2002 model since you really don't want to add any more items that increase air for hp without adjusting an ecu....which there isn't one...more so a turbo. back to square one.

No, you have some things wrong. You can add all the VE you want up to about 200 bhp with stock 259cc injectors. You can add VE up to around 250 bhp with 370cc injectors before you max them and your MAF out. Because Nissan uses a hotwire MAF, the ECU can compensate for changes in VE, unlike Honduhs and many other cars that use a MAP system.

You should be able to substitute a 97 ECU in the newer cars. JWT can do an SR20 ECU up to 97. They use a 97 ECU in their later project cars. It only involves a slight wiring change. Not supposed to be a big deal.

As I understand it, HS is working on a header and I know JWT is working on roller cams. Testing have shown them to work quite well, but they want to do a little more testing.

yeah but the thing is you can't get the maximum gains without the ecu.

i dont think (for the time being) it would be a bright idea to extract too much power from the sr20de(t), and i say that only because in the SCC that featured Chris Allen's 400+WHP 200sx SE-R, it stated that everytime the car was dynoed, they carried a spare tranny in the sr20development trailer incase the mounted tranny busted. To make a long point short, the trannies mounted onour cars cant handle too much. Just my two cents, I really dont know too much about this subject matter.

Well you have to remember that that car was putting over 3x the amount of horsepower that the tranny was designed for. If you go to about 250hp at the wheels and you don't powershift and abuse your tranny you should be fine.

Originally posted by xpo
yeah but the thing is you can't get the maximum gains without the ecu.

Once again, it should be possible to use a 97 ECU with a slight rewiring. The SE-R guys do this without problems and JWT does this with their newer project cars.

Originally posted by DCastillo
i dont think (for the time being) it would be a bright idea to extract too much power from the sr20de(t), and i say that only because in the SCC that featured Chris Allen's 400+WHP 200sx SE-R, it stated that everytime the car was dynoed, they carried a spare tranny in the sr20development trailer incase the mounted tranny busted. To make a long point short, the trannies mounted onour cars cant handle too much. Just my two cents, I really dont know too much about this subject matter.

First of all, Jason is quite correct about the power level. The SR20 gearbox is the weak link in the drivetrain and modest power levels shouldn't be much of a problem however.

Second, Chris Allen is rather, uhhhhh, mechanically insensitive.

Once again, it should be possible to use a 97 ECU with a slight rewiring. The SE-R guys do this without problems and JWT does this with their newer project caRS

now are you gonna GUARANTEE that for me in writing and refund my money back if it doesn't work and messes up my brand new 2002 g20t? also you gonna rewire it for me?

definately... hey Jason, do you think there will ever be an option to fix this tranie thing? My names Derek by the way...

im really beginning to favor the altima 3.5se with it's stock time of 0-60 in 5.9 secs....i love the look of the g20t but with its lackluster performance i just don't know....especially if there are no parts out there for the 2002...seriously stumped on what to get.

i'm sorry to say this to you g20 owners out there but i'd take that 2002 altima v6, that sucker is faaast :alien2:

plus it looks good too :D

Yeah the new 3.5 Altima is sweet. A little to heavy feeling for my taste. I'd stick with the G20 and make it faster, but that's my personality.

Originally posted by xpo
now are you gonna GUARANTEE that for me in writing and refund my money back if it doesn't work and messes up my brand new 2002 g20t? also you gonna rewire it for me?

Oh Jesus, just go buy a Honduh.

Oh Jesus, just go buy a Honduh


wow that much confidence in your car huh? here i am trying to learn about the g20t. probably going to buy one. you talk like it's just that easy to go get an ecu, rewire it or have someone rewire it for me. you know if it was that damn easy then why don't they release a new ecu?

this is the kinda response i get from g20 enthusiasts? i guess i can't come here to get answers etc.....that's weak.

Originally posted by xpo
wow that much confidence in your car huh? here i am trying to learn about the g20t. probably going to buy one. you talk like it's just that easy to go get an ecu, rewire it or have someone rewire it for me. you know if it was that damn easy then why don't they release a new ecu?

this is the kinda response i get from g20 enthusiasts? i guess i can't come here to get answers etc.....that's weak.

No dude, you're the one who is weak. I'm just tired of reading your whining. You ask questions. You get answers. When you don't get the answer you wanted, you just bitch and whine.

As for rewiring, it is that easy. There is a thread on the SE-R Mailing List as we speak about this very subject. In fact, JWT sends instructions for rewiring the connector. I don't know for certain that the same holds true for the G20, but I suspect it is. All it will take is someone who wants an ECU to call JWT, be nice about it, and ask if a P11 G20 can use an early ECU like the B14/B15 folks do.

As for confidence in my car, I have plenty. I've installed a SR20DET in it and it runs like a champ, thank you very much. It runs even better since I had it tuned at Throttle Position Motorsports in Dallas over the weekend. Now I just need to schedule some dyno time.

I hate to be this hard on you, but you've spent more time telling us what you think that actually thinking about our answers. I give up. The problem is not the car.

from experience, it's pretty difficult to rewire a 93 SR20DE ecu and harness...the dash harness is a bit confusing to figure out (but if you have an FSM, it should be ok) but the plugs ont he engine is pretty straight forward.

it's not difficult to find parts for you car (if you get it from me that is hehe), in the US, u can get springs, shocks, coilovers, brake rotors, brake pads, lightbulbs, brembo brake upgrade, strut bars, swaybars, exhaust, rims, bodykits, headers, intake, pulley...this is a pretty extensive list arleayd and with all these, most people will be happy. if you wanna go even outta the ordinary, there's the SR20DET motor and the parts starts to pile up from there. what is it exactly that's hard to find? let me know...i havnet came across anything (except for a roll cage) that i cant find.
by reading your mind ;) i can already see that u will ask this "well, that's gonna be a lot of money so i'll just buy a 3.5L Altima" well...if you get the Altima (assuming u are into cars) wouldnt u think that parts will be EXTREMELY hard to find for the Altima since it's brand spanking new?

thank you g22det for the feedback.

i realize there's tons of parts out there for the sr20de. there's no denying that. but the only thing that bothers me is the fact no ecu is made for the 99+. the ecu is the key to everything. without it every other upgrade won't reach it's full potential. i use this logic cuz i had a 92ttz and the guys who had 96ttz could not reach 396hp as easily. in fact they couldn't. but yet it was the same engine. just like the case here. custom fabrication is not cheap and im not that much of an electrician.

anyways i know it would also be hard to find parts for the altima...BUT...i don't know many sr20de's capable of hitting 5.9 sec's cheaply. and the g20t and 3.5se are the same price.

and to P10DET just because im asking a lot of questions to further educate myself on the g20 how is that whining and bitching(especially when 2 other people in here also don't think its as easy as you say)? just because you presuppose that I should know everything about the car and how to upgrade it already?

my car is hitting 5.9..might even be a little faster?
ECU is important..but who cares if you have a 1000hp if you dont hav ethe suspension to back it up? gonna drive in a straight line forever? I bet a nicely tuned suspension on a stock G20 can probably keep up your friend's Z32. i have personal exerpeicne of beating a turbocharged GS300 (est. 380hp) with only an air intake and a set of coilovers. The ECU is only key if you do mods that requires the playing of the fuel system such as a turbo...with regular bolt on parts, the stock ecu will be plenty enough.
if all you are concerned is 0-60 time or 1/4mile time, why not get a mustang GT? it's A LOT faster than the altima.

hey G22DET
can yours beat a standard S15 spec R? it's just out of interest.....

Originally posted by G22DET
from experience, it's pretty difficult to rewire a 93 SR20DE ecu and harness...

I'm not talking about what you attempted.

I'm talking about rewiring the ECU connector for the wiring harness. It involves removing a few wires and putting them in a different pin position. As I said, there are a number of people on the SE-R Mailing List who have done this. No big deal. Some of them used to whine about it, but when they finally attempted it, they found it was simple.

Originally posted by xpo
the only thing that bothers me is the fact no ecu is made for the 99+.

Originally posted by xpo
and to P10DET just because im asking a lot of questions to further educate myself on the g20 how is that whining and bitching(especially when 2 other people in here also don't think its as easy as you say)? just because you presuppose that I should know everything about the car and how to upgrade it already?

It's whining a bitching because I addressed your question with the fact that there may be a simple solution if you just look into it. Did you? No. You just went on about it and have made the assumption that it's a major deal. In fact, you went on about some crap about giving you a written guarantee.

Now for the facts. What other car can you go out and buy and be able to get a factory ECU retuned for a turbo set-up or almost any other set-up? Why do owners of most other marques have to resort to either stand-alone ECUs or dial-a-booms (piggy-backs)?

Lastly, as I stated, people have given you answers to your questions and you just continue to complain. I'm certainly not the only one to answer your questions. As far as I see it, you only want to hear the answers you want. Asking questions and learning is great. But to learn you have to listen. Seems to me you are more interested in complaining and telling us what you think.

Let's look at it closer. You come in here and ask questions because people have experience with the car and you don't. But, when you get answers, all you do is tell us what you think. Why ask questions if you aren't going to listen?

Originally posted by pche059
hey G22DET
can yours beat a standard S15 spec R? it's just out of interest.....
Dude if we had those cars here in North America I wouldn't be driving a G20. :D:D:D Oops I shouldn't have said that. :p

Why ask questions if you aren't going to listen?

why answer if you're just gonna bitch about answering the questions?

i have been listening to everyone's answers and hence the uncertainty....one person says this and then you say this....should i discredit everyone else and only listen to you? if you don't believe me go back to the very beginning of this thread tell me who besides yourself addresses the ecu problem and you'll find you are the one answering most of the time...one man's opinion does not make it canon.


g22det....

i know if you don't have suspension to match the horsepower it's pretty moot....i never said i wasn't going to....but for a stock set up it's great. sorry i don't drag....but i want to get a turbo in the car...hence the topic...hence i need the ecu....suspension will come and so will brakes.

z32 vs g20? HA! would you like to set something up?

im a nissan enthusiast and a Rustang is out of the question.

sure, Nov. 24, Streets of Willow...show up or shut up :) I'll give your Z32 a good run. Promise. ;)

if you want to get a turbo in your car...get a DET motor, u can use your stock ecu and harness (that's what i have) and tune it with HKS's famous F-Con V software, if you are in SCal, i know someone (the only one in the US) that's a licensed HKS Tuner and they have all the software to use with the F-Con to make your car run perfect. Or, if you really want to do something about the ECU, get rid of it!! and go for a standalone...it's not THAT expensive if you try the DTA, works really well and it's a fraction of the cost of the MoTec.

anyway, Jason, i would dump my car and get a S15 as well...in an instant! hehe

G22DET how much has your setup cost you so far?im thinking i can put up 5000 on a down payment and have 4000 for aftermarket parts...is that gonna be enough.....


btw...um i don't have my Z i just sold it...hence im getting either the g20 or the altima...


but if you wanna run a z i can ask some z owners just give me the directions...

for those Z owners that go to track events and live in Cali, they dont need directions, they know where it is. it would be fun if some other nissans show up besides S13, S14s hehe

$4k will be barely enough to get everything installed.

well, let me rephrase that.
$4k will get probably get you these:
DET motor - $1500 (from me)
installation - free - $2500 depending where u go (the place i went charges $2300 and that's including the down pipe and all the intercooler pipings.)
Blow off valve - $200 or so
front mount intercooler - we have our own intercooler for $550.
that's probably what you'll have with $4k.

i can get most mechanical parts installed myself but it's the electrical stuff i have problems with and i got a few hookups here and there....how much just for parts though....

i'll let you know who's down to go the track....

also how much louder is it than stock?

loud as in? u can definitely hear the "hissing" sound from the turbo spooling...but if you meant the exhaust (which i assume u'll get) the turbo actually makes the exhaust a lot quieter...too quiet for my taste.
if you gonna do the labor yourself, then u get get more parts such as turbo timer (ahem, George), boost controller, boost gauge, oil temp/pressure gauge, egt gauge, larger injectors. to get the F-Con stuff from HKS is very expensive...and you have to get heir VPC too and plus tuning would be a lot of money. but ti's worth it.

Oh oops is that right? no SR20DET 200SXs for you guys aye??
:p :p :p
Sorry i really didn't know about it

Originally posted by pche059
Oh oops is that right? no SR20DET 200SXs for you guys aye??
:p :p :p
Sorry i really didn't know about it

Nope. No S15. :crying:

Our S13 and S14 came with the KA24DE only. :(

Originally posted by G22DET
for those Z owners that go to track events and live in Cali, they dont need directions, they know where it is. it would be fun if some other nissans show up besides S13, S14s hehe

I'd be really surprised if there wasn't a bunch of the SERCA folks there, including some G20 owners. The SE-R folks there are drawn to track events like moths to a flame.

There are some really good drivers in the SE-R group with some really good cars. If Rob Cadle is there with his NA, stock internal SE-R, don't be surprised if he passes you. He's laying down 175 to the wheels and that is with stock ECU maps (just raised rev limit). He's a great driver with a well set-up car. I'll see if I can find out who is going.

Glad to see you getting out to the track Luke. If you hook up with the SE-R folks, they'll get you set up right Listen to those folks. They are fast and experienced.

Originally posted by xpo
why answer if you're just gonna bitch about answering the questions?


Well I didn't know you weren't going to listen to the answers. See below for a great example.

Originally posted by xpo
i have been listening to everyone's answers and hence the uncertainty....one person says this and then you say this....should i discredit everyone else and only listen to you? if you don't believe me go back to the very beginning of this thread tell me who besides yourself addresses the ecu problem and you'll find you are the one answering most of the time...one man's opinion does not make it canon.

Once again you won't listen. I said you should call JWT to see if the ECU connector for the G20 can be rewired to use a earlier ECU like they can with the SE-R. I don't know if it will work or not. I suspect it will, but I never said for sure it would So call them or stop bitching for cying out loud. If you refuse to call, all I can assume is that you really don't care about it and just want to bitch and whine.

If that's the case, don't worry, I've answered the last question from you that I'm going to answer.

well, i am pretty experienced too :p haha..but 2 years of experience (about 15 events?) doesnt really make me a great driver though...still learning as there's is LOTS to be learned. would love to go withs ome really experienced drivers, see how htye tackle the track is alwasy interesting. i've driven with couple of pro. racers and they have enlightened me a lot of different lines to take, it's really interesting and fun. hopefully some of you out there would take the chance and go to a road track once, it's very very fun. Right George?

Originally posted by G22DET
well, i am pretty experienced too :p haha..but 2 years of experience (about 15 events?) doesnt really make me a great driver though...still learning as there's is LOTS to be learned. would love to go withs ome really experienced drivers, see how htye tackle the track is alwasy interesting. i've driven with couple of pro. racers and they have enlightened me a lot of different lines to take, it's really interesting and fun. hopefully some of you out there would take the chance and go to a road track once, it's very very fun. Right George?

Oh, too true Luke.

Track driving is safe for you and your car if you don't drive over your head. The thing I tell folks who are just starting out is to never drive faster than you can always hit the same spots on the track (turn-in, clipping point or apex, and exit). This is very important. If you can't do this, you are driving over your head. Leave a little extra braking room (and even give the brakes a quick test before having to commit) and you're fine. BTW, I didn't write that for Luke's benefit, but for others who think they would like to try it, but are a bit worried. Don't sweat it. Just listen to your instructors, don't try to be Ayrton Senna (if you don't know who he was, do a search on the web), and stay within your limits - your personal limits. You'll have a blast.

If you have a chance to ride along with a more experienced driver, jump at it. At my last SCCA school, none of my instructor's other students went for a ride along after lunch. I almost didn't, but decided to take advantage of his knowledge. It was so cool. This guy is so talented we were powersliding a Deisel F250 King Cab around Texas World Speedway's road course. Too much fun. None of the other students benefitted from his knowledge. I was so happy I rode along with him.

With all the engine mods you guys said that can be done, it should be safe to just spray some nos in the damn car and that should be around 400 bucks for a 150 shot. heck im putting a 50 shot in january for the new year that should give me an extra 20 horses at least and its not alot of nos but its safe for a few sprays here and there, thats good for me.

If Nissan were to start selling S15 Silvia's tomorow, I would be trading in my G20 tomorow morning. I hope I get a chance to drive one while im in Japan next summer.

Originally posted by 2002G20Racer
If Nissan were to start selling S15 Silvia's tomorow, I would be trading in my G20 tomorow morning. I hope I get a chance to drive one while im in Japan next summer.
Yeah I'll have to agree with you here. I'd stock out my G, sell the aftermarkets parts and trade it in for the S15.

I test drove one a few days ago.....
man....that's what you call speed... it would weep the 97 VTEC Prelude I had big ass!!!!
you really can feel the G force aye...no shit...pretty good handling too...altho....would have to be alot more careful when you drive it since it is a real wheel drive....and the power it has....
170kw standard over here in New Zealand:o :o :o

hmm..what if i win the lottery and make my car rear wheel drive???? heh
it would be the ultimate car i think hehe

If I had the money to make my p11 rwd, I would buy a 02 M3 or import an s15... I wonder who the first rwd p11 nut will be...:confused:

Luke
You can't have everything man
you have got a Turbo charged Primera already!! :p :p :p
Hey there is one thing I have always wanted to ask....
Was it hard to get your car covered?
and I mean....if *touch wood* anything happens to the car...are they gonna replace your mod parts - *ahem* that includes the engine :p
or just back to the standard engine??

Originally posted by G22DET
hmm..what if i win the lottery and make my car rear wheel drive???? heh
it would be the ultimate car i think hehe
Hehe, I've thought about this too. :D It would be pretty unique and I bet you could get it in almost any import mag. :)

Originally posted by G22DET
hmm..what if i win the lottery and make my car rear wheel drive???? heh
it would be the ultimate car i think hehe Why not import a T4 and bring it up to U.S. crash regs. Going to be expensive but then so is RWD and you guys have money to burn anyway.:p :p

And then when you've done the T4/turbo swap you can post all the info for me ... :uhoh:

Ever seen a 4WD doing donuts? - they should sell rides in them at amusement parks:apuke:

Originally posted by G22DET
hmm..what if i win the lottery and make my car rear wheel drive???? heh
it would be the ultimate car i think hehe

Screw that! :D

I've said many times, if I ever won the lottery, the very first thing I would do is fill a briefcase with $100 bills (largest in circulation in the US) and go to the biggest BMW dealer in town and keep handing over the $100 bills until I drove away in an M5. I'm not joking either. If I won the lottery, I wouldn't care about the premium paid. I'd just want the car.

ditto George!

Originally posted by P10DET


Screw that! :D

I've said many times, if I ever won the lottery, the very first thing I would do is fill a briefcase with $100 bills (largest in circulation in the US) and go to the biggest BMW dealer in town and keep handing over the $100 bills until I drove away in an M5. I'm not joking either. If I won the lottery, I wouldn't care about the premium paid. I'd just want the car.

If I win the lottery, I'd get the 2002 Q45 fully loaded, do some more engine mods, lower the suspension and have a license plate that says "M5 KILR". Nuff said.:devil:

Originally posted by pche059
Oh oops is that right? no SR20DET 200SXs for you guys aye??
:p :p :p
Sorry i really didn't know about it

at least we finally get the Z....*sigh*

http://www.nissan.co.jp/MS/PRESS/COMMON/IMAGES/CONCEPT_CAR/LOW/z_l_001.jpg

http://www.nissan.co.jp/MS/PRESS/COMMON/IMAGES/CONCEPT_CAR/LOW/z_006.jpg

http://www.nissan.co.jp/MS/PRESS/COMMON/IMAGES/CONCEPT_CAR/LOW/z_l_002.jpg

http://www.nissan.co.jp/MS/PRESS/COMMON/IMAGES/CONCEPT_CAR/LOW/z_005.jpg

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Originally posted by P10DET


Screw that!

I've said many times, if I ever won the lottery, the very first thing I would do is fill a briefcase with $100 bills (largest in circulation in the US) and go to the biggest BMW dealer in town and keep handing over the $100 bills until I drove away in an M5. I'm not joking either. If I won the lottery, I wouldn't care about the premium paid. I'd just want the car.
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If I win the lottery, I'd get the 2002 Q45 fully loaded, do some more engine mods, lower the suspension and have a license plate that says "M5 KILR". Nuff said.


There was some dude a while back that put a m5 motor in his m3.. his license plate read "m5 Killr"