damm it i hate my popz!
that nigga is so 1 sided he doesnt believe in the wonders of the engine swap!
well we were talkin about cars on saturday cause i am getting a car soon! so he knows i know my stuff about cars so he askes me what i want so i say "dad i want a nissan skyline r32 gtr" i had to try so he was like what the hell is that!:eek: i was like forget it so i was like just joking eheeh:rolleyes: i want a nissan 240sx, he said keep talkin so i said i want a 91 240sx hatchback! he was like a 91 is to old it will give troubles so i was like i am going 2 swap out the motor for the sr20det motor ....
.... he was like "HELL'S NO" you are not going 2 mix and match two different cars the car will never run the same... i was like exacty it wil run better! he was liie NO i explained all the aspects to a engin swap and he was intrested and seen some of my points but when it came down to it he still says no!:(
now i dont know what to do?:confused: its like he killed a part of me...
so now i dont noe what car 2 get anymore....damm it!!
well since he is against engin swaps i m thinking of a ka24de-t maybe but i really wanted a sr20det, or maybe jus get a 95-99 gsx\gs-t or a 91-96 mr2 turbo... or maybe a 90-92 toyota supra turbo, or a turbo 2 rx-7...
but i dont know any more....:( :(

o well

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more KAT lovers

did you tell him that the SR20DET is the stock motor for the 240SX in Japan? its not really mix & match, its just putting in what the car was meant to have.

yea he knows that the sr20det is the japan 240sx motor but he still doesnt like the idear of pulling out your motor and adding a new one in, he is convinced that the car will not run the same!

damm old people get wid da times!

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Did you tell him the motor bolts right on and that there are shops who will give you a WARRANTEE on your engine if you have them install it? BTW just curious how old are you and what kind of car does your dad own?

Originally posted by sr20det2nr
yea he knows that the sr20det is the japan 240sx motor but he still doesnt like the idear of pulling out your motor and adding a new one in, he is convinced that the car will not run the same!

damm old people get wid da times!

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well yeah, thats the point of swapping motors. you'll make the car run better.

you won't nessecarily make the car better..... it will be faster......but a stock SR20DET is not as reliable as a KA-T from what I hear. If you want a car that starts every time you turn the key, has the least downtime, or takes less scheduled maintenace......run a KA-T!

how about....you make your OWN money and not have mommy and daddy by your car for you??

i am 17 years old
i dont know wat car i want now
yes he knows all the info about the sr20det swap i told him every thing, he drives a ford sable 92' and a nissan quest 99 se

as 4 s13 comment

if they were 2 buy me a used 240sx it would cost them only $1000 tops i would do everything else i have about $3000 saved already for the sr20det swap and i have a place that will do the swap form me for $3700 with motor so i am doin it my self, n yes i have a job so i m not doing this on my allowence:devil:

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here's the deal...

it's your car...
get it looked at when you buy it, find out what problems it has, and find a way to convince the rents that it's cheaper to swap in newer motor...

also, inform them that the motor is newer, has less miles, blah blah blah...

bottom line though, it's your car and your money...

ok heres what i did to get my parents allow me to buy myself a newer KA24DE...

dont change your oil

wait for your engine to blow

say its only nessecary for a new engine...


.......in your case...

say you midas well have an sr20 while your at it...

yeah i wasted a KA24...but hey, it was 150k and now im down to around 90k

ok heres what i did to get my parents allow me to buy myself a newer KA24DEdont change your oil

wait for your engine to blow

say its only nessecary for a new engine...
...

that was plan B

If it's your money...what's the problem...if it's their money...get a job!

Originally posted by TheLogikal1
ok heres what i did to get my parents allow me to buy myself a newer KA24DE...

dont change your oil

wait for your engine to blow

say its only nessecary for a new engine...


you could also run nos in it.. then when it blows scramble to take it out so your parents dont see it..

hmm... yes my engine just detonated out of the blue! lol

i guess not changing the oil would be another option, i almost did that but invested too much in my ka.

My plan would be- Save up and pay for it all yourself :D



I understand how you feel though- I wanted to swap a Famillia GTX motor into my Mazda 323 back when I was a teen- course my dad said "LIKE HELL YOU ARE" and I never was able to afford my motor- so I had a POS 1.3 litre Mazda :(

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jimster
[B]My plan would be- Save up and pay for it all yourself :D


like that's gonna happen.. lol

yes its my money cause i work and i have no real bills to pay just a cell phone and i have to pay for food n shit...
but yes itz my money but their giving me the famous" if u live in my house u live under my rules" shit... thats why i cant do the sr20det swap I HATE PARENTS!

i think jus might go wid a eclipse gsx cause the 2,800 i got saved + the rest im gona save from the summer i can put it into the gsx and run like mid to high 12's instead of doing a sr20det swap or a ka-t conversion, but the one thing i really like tho is the sexy shape of the 240sx...

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yeah I pondered the DSM route, im back again hehe

whoops lol forgot to write the other paragraph.

I've seen some auto crossing videos of GSX's and I wasn't that impressed. The AWD would be cool for street launches, but im not too sure of the performance of it in the handling department. One positive thing about it though is that its a turbo car from the factory. For roughly the same price of a decent 240 u could get a 92 GSX or TSI awd. then u can do some cheap mods to get some decent hp.... with the 240 you still have to turbo it lol.

whoops lol forgot to write the other paragraph.


ahahahhaah :D

yea i noe thats is what im lookin at the 3+g's im gona spend making the 240sx turbo i can put it into a turbo car and make it run faster!

and the parents have no objections with me modifying a car cause my popz like to modify cars a lil...

but this whole engine swap thing is messin me up!

o well:rolleyes:

you could always get an old school 4 banger SVO turbo mustang for a turbo car, but I don't like Mustangs.

Also Thunderbird SC..

the oldschool Dodge Daytonas and Mitsubishi Starions.....they don't even look half bad either... cool fender flares and hatchback look, already come with a FMIC...

NO DOMESTICS!!!

HEEHEH

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Originally posted by sr20det2nr
NO DOMESTICS!!!

HEEHEH

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buy an S12 Silvia (200SX) if you can find one. they're cheap, damn nice, and one of the models comes with a turbo engine already in it.

i never seen a s-12 silvia

anyone have a pic of it?

thanks 1

here you go

Originally posted by sr20det2nr
i think jus might go wid a eclipse gsx cause the 2,800 i got saved + the rest im gona save from the summer i can put it into the gsx and run like mid to high 12's instead of doing a sr20det swap or a ka-t conversion, but the one thing i really like tho is the sexy shape of the 240sx...

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no man, dont do it!!!! dont walk to the darkside!! stay with the nissan homie!

YA DITTO on that one man!!!! i personaly HATE that POS Eclipse. I know too many dumfwks poser's in eclipse. Besides you cant go wrong with the reliability of a nissan... expecialy over a mitsubishi come on get real here!!!!! how can you pick that over a nissan!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

just my opinion :p :p

:D :D :sun: :flash:

the best things you can do to an eclipse is paint it blinding hot green, get a carbonfiberhood (hell, just spray paint it black) , a big aluminum apr spoiler and throw some pepsi bottles in the back with "nos" painted on them.

j/k, i agree withya wolfpac, 2,4,0 sounds alot better than d,s,m...

:bloated: :bloated: what was wrong with a KA-T again?!?!?!:confused: :confused:

i want the 240sx but the rentz is bitching bout the engine swap thing... then if i go with a ka-t i will build my internals first cause i dont want my car 2 be un reliable so it will take alot more time and money.

but if i go over to the DARKSIDE and get a dsm i can put the 3+g's into the 4g63 motor and fun like high 12's low 13's that is a hell of a lot better then doin mid to high 15's in a 240sx....

but damm it I WANT MY NISSAN!!

u can get into 12's and 13's on stock KA internals..... lotsa guys make over 300-400rwhp everyday for a year and no reliability issues, the KA is about as strong as a SR in actuallity.

yes the whole ka-t is a good idear but..
if i do get a 240sx it will have over 70,000 miles on it so the internals will be worn out so if i decide to turbo the 240 right away i doubt the stock internals will hold up at anything above 14psi. soi would still have to build the internals

thanks for the info tho!

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in my personal opinion, I don think people that are just getting their license and learning to drive should have that much power. just drive around with the ka for awhile. after you get a good feel of the car and you are more aware to the other jackasses on the road (that's the main thing you have to look out for) then swap or turbo the ka. gotta learn to walk before you can run...

just my .02

s12 200sx is a good alternative, you can pick 'em up hella cheap off autotrader.com and places like that. there was a turbo version, but they're pretty rare these days. also, there was an s12 offered with a vg30e that makes the lightweight 200sx pretty quick. but don't bother asking about a vg30dett swap, the dohc won't fit between the strut towers. anyway, the only problem is that parts (especially performance parts) are kinda hard to find. but most of the 4-banger swaps for the 240 can be done with the 200 almost as easily. if you want more info on the s12, www.club-s12.org is a great resource. sorry for the long post.

I think that "remember me?" is sort of right. You have to know how to drive the car first. Driving (at least for me) become a totally different thing from driving with my permit and with parents along, and driving with just me in the car. You still have to watch out for assholes and such, but it totally different otherwise.

But, this also came to my attention earlier in the week.

If you know how to drive, go for it!

PS. - By drive, I mean observe right of way and other such things as that, and also by driving hard.

Your 17, and you want a car that can run high 12's, low 13's? Come on, be realistic here. Most 22 year olds would have trouble handling themselves in a car with that performance.

Set your sights a bit lower. Go for the 240SX, and leave it stock until you know the cars abilities, and your abilities. There are some things you can do to it in the short term though, like bigger brakes for example. Upgrading your brakes would be fine, because if in a couple of years or so, if you do throw in a SR20DET, the brakes will carry over without hassle.

I drove a 1.3L carburetor when I was your age, and it took me at least 6 months, probably closer to 9 to figure out just how hard that car could be pushed, and just how far I could go. I'm 19 now, and I just got a 200SX this week with the SR20DET as standard, and I won't be pushing myself for quite a while in that.

I think DSM cars are nice... just as far as reliability goes... blech... everybody I know with a gen 2 eclipse has had a lot of problems after about 3 or 4 years... so I'd imagine a lot of the money you've got saved would go into just maintenance...

I would agree with everyone else, get a 240 in pretty good condition, drive it around, save up some money, get used to the car, and then just go KA-T if your parents would trip on the SR swap...

get a nissan nx2000
comes with a sr20de
can find one for like 1500-2000 bucks

buy a 240SX 1997 (i got one with an airbag to make parents happy) last year, this summer i recently said (im gonna get my engine rebuilt its at 250,000 miles, my dad said go for it cause its gonna leave you stranded. I took that opportunity bought myself a sr20det had it deliver to my friends house and we swapped the engines in a day and a half. Its easy to do what you want if your sneaky. Im in the same boat as you, i wouldnt be aloud to do a swap like that, and my parents bought the car for me, i payed for performance.

Stop brining up old threads :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Dorikin
Stop brining up old threads :rolleyes:
i agree
:nono:

Haha my dad actually supports me on the SR20 swap.

I told him I found a KA24DE for $500 and that engine would be better to turbocharge than the one I have now.But I would still need to get a wiring harness and tranny for the motor.

He said I should just keep what I have now then later just get a SR clip.My dad even said we could even go pick it up ourselves in California...

awesome

go for the sr... less of a hassle to get it working right. then when you want to upgrade just get a bigger turbo

had the same problem with my parents about my 1st supra(wouldnt let me upgrade, even with my own money and i was 17). ended up sellin it and buying a 240 for around 2500 and im hopefully putting my rb26 in sometime this summer. If you can make the money, just hold onto it and wait a year or so, then do what you want.

and also, recent studies show that there actually is a giant wat sitting in the middle of hell

hey sorry guys i didnt realize how old this thread was, just saw it on the recents of the main page

I knew how old it was but hey..:gives:

:uhoh:

today i was talking with my dad and my neighbours dad (they are the same age) and i was telling my neighboors dad how i was gonna get a 240sx s13 and drop the japanese model's engine in it (they dont know the Terminology like JDM and such) and my dad didnt say anything.. usually he'd jump in and say something like "ya, when ur 32 years old, maybe u will" but my dad has learned to leave me be unless i ask for help.. so as long as i get it all sorted myself. my dad = nothing on my swap :D

yay for me!

my dad loves the idea. especially today after i got an instructional video from an Ontario SR-240SX owner showing how to do the swap by yourself. he knows how much i love cars and knows not to get in my way. :biggrin:

Originally posted by S13_Iketani
my dad loves the idea. especially today after i got an instructional video from an Ontario SR-240SX owner showing how to do the swap by yourself. he knows how much i love cars and knows not to get in my way. :biggrin:

:werd: my dad loves that vid and asked me If I was gonna do that to my car. I told him someting like it and he said

"Good, I Dont want you doing up a Honda" LOL!

lol, Dorikin, your father is a good man.

I can only do my swap when I help pay for the insurance. Shoot though, I gotta get my car first.

wow my thread is alive agian!!

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :icon16: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

but for how long??:eek:

yea
btw i have gave up on the sr20det swap.. if i do get a 240sx it will most likely be a ka-t but thats if i get the 240 im most likely get a eclipse gsx..TURBO AWD cant beat that shit!!

you people are lucky that your parents supprot you on your engine swap beliefs.. my popz is not to much into the whole aftermarket swap thing. he belives that stock parts are the best and her belives that if you dont put stock parts into your car it wont run the same... but thats just him.. at least he loves nissan!!:icon16:

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where can i get that video?

Originally posted by Fliquer
where can i get that video?

not sure. i bought it directly off of the owner at a rice show this weekend (his car and a 20B powered FC3S were the only nice cars there). i'm not sure if he sells it through anyone or just sells it when he goes to shows etc. it was only $10 CDN. i might be chilling with him at the drift day near me on saturday. i could pick one up for you and mail it if you really want.

Originally posted by remember me?
in my personal opinion, I don think people that are just getting their license and learning to drive should have that much power. just drive around with the ka for awhile. after you get a good feel of the car and you are more aware to the other jackasses on the road (that's the main thing you have to look out for) then swap or turbo the ka. gotta learn to walk before you can run...

just my .02

i totally agree. i started out with a humble Saab (hey, they handle DAMN good!) 900S, then jumped to a 9000 Turbo when i was 17. when i was 18 i purchased a 1987 Toyota Supra Turbo. by the time all was said and done, i was running consistant mid-13's. problem was, i was still (imho) too young to be driving such a powerful car on the streets. i never caused any accidents, but i did get my share of racing and speeding tickets.

what i'm getting at here is that your father probably won't let you do the engine swap because you're still young, and it's too much car for you to handle. i currently have a '96 200SX SE-R that i'm toying around with, and i'll tell you, i love it! my ultimate goal for the car is to drop in a SR20DET from a GTi-R. problem is, i know what that entails.

one of the biggest problems you're going to face when you drop a SR20DET in your 240, is breaking stuff. i learned all too well in the Supra! if you're going to race, you're going to break stuff. LOTS of stuff. it gets rather expensive, rather quick! my advice to you is to go ahead and buy the 240, but keep it NA. it will most likely be your only form of transportation, so wait until you're in a position where you can AFFORD to break crap. ohh yeah, and one more thing. stay away from the huge F1-style wings that your car look like a shopping cart. sleepers rock!

Originally posted by turbo2nr


you people are lucky that your parents supprot you on your engine swap beliefs.. my popz is not to much into the whole aftermarket swap thing. he belives that stock parts are the best and her belives that if you dont put stock parts into your car it wont run the same... but thats just him.. at least he loves nissan!!:icon16:

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My parents dont mind that I do a swap. My mom actually thinks I should get one to keep the car running young.

my popz dosnt like the whole swapin car parts issue.. he doesnt mind hp hell he had a 350+hp montecarlo back in the day so he loves hp.. when we first got our maxima he put in a k&n drop in filter.. he dosent mind swaping minor things but major things like engines and such he bitches at..


as a first timer i think the eclipse gsx is a great car i can grow it the car and modify it as i go along..

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Originally posted by SR20-B14


i totally agree. i started out with a humble Saab (hey, they handle DAMN good!) 900S, then jumped to a 9000 Turbo when i was 17. when i was 18 i purchased a 1987 Toyota Supra Turbo. by the time all was said and done, i was running consistant mid-13's. problem was, i was still (imho) too young to be driving such a powerful car on the streets. i never caused any accidents, but i did get my share of racing and speeding tickets.

what i'm getting at here is that your father probably won't let you do the engine swap because you're still young, and it's too much car for you to handle. i currently have a '96 200SX SE-R that i'm toying around with, and i'll tell you, i love it! my ultimate goal for the car is to drop in a SR20DET from a GTi-R. problem is, i know what that entails.

one of the biggest problems you're going to face when you drop a SR20DET in your 240, is breaking stuff. i learned all too well in the Supra! if you're going to race, you're going to break stuff. LOTS of stuff. it gets rather expensive, rather quick! my advice to you is to go ahead and buy the 240, but keep it NA. it will most likely be your only form of transportation, so wait until you're in a position where you can AFFORD to break crap. ohh yeah, and one more thing. stay away from the huge F1-style wings that your car look like a shopping cart. sleepers rock!

SAABs can be quick, I mean, why not, turbo I-4

Dont they come stock with like, a T3 or something, non-intercooled.

You got your 98 for $2500?

Originally posted by enecks
You got your 98 for $2500?

How about being more specific/who are you asking?

eeek, how embarrassing. but as you can see, i'm a n00b :). i was asking slix, as i mistakenly thought his was the last post in the thread--i guess i forgot to look at the 4th and 5th pages. sorry!

Originally posted by Dorikin


SAABs can be quick, I mean, why not, turbo I-4

Dont they come stock with like, a T3 or something, non-intercooled.

Well my 9000 Turbo was damn quick! the 900S is just a 2.0l I-4. nothing special about it. mechanical fuel injection, weak distributor and whatnot. the 900S was built for the economicaly-minded Saab driver....well, as economical as you can get with a Saab.

the Saabs you have to look out for, though, are the 900 SPGs. They either come in black, or dark grey, have 3-spoke 16" wheels, and a bodykit that actually reduces the CD (coefficient-of-drag...(unlike the Super Mega Insane Awesome KILLER Ninja bodykit "Brad" has on his honda down the street, it actually makes the car FASTER)) and produces some downforce on the front end. the engine is a reworked turbocharged i-4 with a T3 slapped on it. the computer is tweeked till the car is barely legal to drive in Cali, then lowered 1" and sold to your Midlife-Crisis father who enjoys spanking BMW's and stupid Hondas at will. turning a SPG into a 12-second car is not a difficult thing, but quite a bit more expensive than your average turbo'd car.

hell, you'd expect nothing less from a company that builds cars for FUN. saab's REAL daily grind is building Dog Fighters for euro air forces.

yeeeeah baby! i may love Nissan (and toyota), but i'll be a Saab fan first and foremost.

TURBO2NR, i have an idea for you, get a 240 with the swap already done, he wont know:tongue:

MY DAD: "Kevin, if you like the cra so much, and in japan they made it untuil 98' or whatever, why dont u just get that? " its imported and ilegal and stuff dad""why dont u keep your 240 then and get another and pain them the same color and just change the license plates and stuff ,?? and when you go smog check and stuff swithc the plate sback and take the 240sx?/:":


HMMMMM..l... THATS A GOOD IDEA?:eek: :eek:

There are a lot of things that should be done to a car before you go and swap the engine. First priority should be fixing any mechanical problems it has to begin with. Then work on your suspension before any performance mods. Whats the point of having 300 horses if you cant get them to the ground. Spend some of that cash you have saved up and go to skip barber racing school in the summer, learn how to drive like a pro before you attempt a swap. Engine and cosmetics should be the last thing you do to your car. This way, when your ready to do your performance mods, youll also be more informed as to how to make power and how to use it fully.

why swap when i can get a gsx eclipse.. turbo awd:wink:

instead of spending 4'gs for a swap i can jus pu the 4'gs into my gsx and do 12's all day long...:bigthumb:

:biggrin:

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Go ahead and get the GSX, but be prepared to replace the engine on an any 2G DSM if you're racing it. Crank walk is a bitch! Happened to 2 of my friends with 11(tsi) and 13(gsx) seconds dsms. Get a 1G DSM... not as pretty, but much more reliable for building up.

Definately get a 1st gen DSM. The second gens had rediculous crank walk, plus the 1st gen is just a stronger block all around.

the 2g's does have crank walk but there is a way around that..
and the 1g six bolt is not stronger then the 7-bolt.. the 1g 4g63 is mor free flowing but wat ever every car has it problems.. fact still remains that i ill be doings 12's all day.. c\w is a problem but i know enuff on it to get around..

a lil facts on a dsm
bottom end can support 22psi stock..
simple boltons with the boost turned up to 14-16 psi can make your dsm goin into the 12's barrier.. upgrade to a big 20 td-08 and 10-11's are in site.. upgrade to 600-7500cc injctors will help with fuel managent..
spending 4g's into a dsm will geat me 350+hp
nuff said
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dsm power!!!

:biggrin:

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Originally posted by turbo2nr
the 2g's does have crank walk but there is a way around that..
and the 1g six bolt is not stronger then the 7-bolt.. the 1g 4g63 is mor free flowing but wat ever every car has it problems.. fact still remains that i ill be doings 12's all day.. c\w is a problem but i know enuff on it to get around..



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Fact remains you have almost no prior experience working with DSMs, and you WILL crank walk as the 2g engines are notorious for that, I can almost gaurentee it.

Get a 1gen and you'll save TONS of money, stronger motor, and you can potentiall run 11s

Your "D-S-M" will never have the agility that our 240's will:thefinger

To some of us running 12's all day everyday don't mean shiet:thefinger

Originally posted by ghostchild316
Your "D-S-M" will never have the agility that our 240's will:thefinger

To some of us running 12's all day everyday don't mean shiet:thefinger


bingo! :biggrin:

i'm wondering why the hell this thread is still alive. :confused:

1. i do have experience in dsm my friend has a 91 talon tsi and we work on that car alot..
2. the reason i dont want a 240sx is because it doesnt fit me.. there is nuthn wrong with the 240sx i love the car but i can do what i want to it and honestly where am i gona drift or road race in nyc?? cops is all over the place i cant really do over 100mph on the i ways cause of traffic.. yes there are the deserted places in some hi-ways that you can race on but there is still that risk.. the gsx suit me more i'm more into the 1\4 mile thing.. sure 12's isnt really really super fast like a 10's civic wid NNAAWWSS (j\K):icon16: but i think 12's is fast enuff for me..
maybe later when i see my way that i can afford to do all the things i want to do on my 240 then i will get it untill then im takin a gsx..

btw they have 7-bolt motors(2gen) that to low 11's..:thefinger

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Originally posted by turbo2nr
1. i do have experience in dsm my friend has a 91 talon tsi and we work on that car alot..


btw they have 7-bolt motors(2gen) that to low 11's..:thefinger

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Ya, theyve prob. blown an engine, and have a heavy duty crank or something

1gen 0wnz