Alclad II vs. Kosutte Gin San...bye, bye Alclad!

I'm always open and looking for new possibilities in modeling. Aroun 10 years ago, I war reading the site of a great Japanese model car modeler and I saw that when he painted the muffler used a not so common product, so, I decied to give it a shot. I started to look aound the different Japanese sites, but, the product wasn't available. From time to time I check the sites, but, with no succes. Around 7 monts ago I was placing an order in the Rainbow Ten site, when I saw that the item had changed the brand, but, with the same label. Also, I was checkin the great o Japanese modeling tutorials(highly recommended) in Youtube and I saw the product working...in live color! I didn't thought it twice to add this item to my order. This product was sitting down in my house until 2 weeks ago when I tried it for the first time. Since it comes in powder form, some caution has to be taken with it. I just took a tiny amount from the container's tread...and boila!!!!...it was magic in front of my eyes. Trying from Alclads, Model Masters metallizers, SNJ Aluinum products,etc, etc, I had never seen anything like this.
OK,....I know, what's the name...KOSUTTE GIN SAN. Since it works with the same base like Alclad products, I airbrushed 3 spoons in order to make several trials. After the first one with the Kosutte, I tried Alclad, and by far, Alclad had no chance with it. The cost, a bottle of Alclad is around $8, this cost me $16 in Japan, but, a tiny amount that I took from the container's thread was enough to cover a spoon, there's no doubt that this will give you more chroming that Alclad.
How it works?, very simple. Like Alclad, it needs a glossy black base. You just rub a cotton swab to the part covering it completely, After that, you rub it with a flannel, a rag, or with the favorite...an old t-shirt. The more you rub it, the more chrome effect you get. Another advantage that puts Alclad way back, can be clear coated(it doesnt needs it), taped and touched by fingers with no effect.
You guys can see it working here in this Youtube video at 6:43
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=984KU6mwQ5s
Here's a couple of pictures:
In this first picture we saw a clouseup of the Kosutte treated spoon.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Porsnatic/DSC_03352.jpg

Finally, Kosutte faces Alclad!
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Porsnatic/DSC_0334.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Porsnatic/DSC_0337.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Porsnatic/DSC_0333.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Porsnatic/DSC_0330.jpg

OK, what you do with real small parts, what I did..There's some real small cotton swabs from Gunze Sangyo #GT 037 like the ones below, or the ones intended for electronics that has a long stick. This last ones can be found in computer or electronic related stores like Radio Shack. I prefer the ones from gunze because are more solid and small.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Porsnatic/mrcottonswab.jpg

Let me know your thoughts about this.

Hi, I have this powder and i must admit it really brings out the real chrome effect 1000 times better than paints. But I have not tried with clear coating it, maybe i should try one day. Thanks for sharing!

Ro

I think, I must order this powder! Looks amazing. Btw link to youtube is not working :(

I like this too, but I used it on some wheels, and it was way too dark. They looked like black chrome. Maybe I didn't rub enough.

If anyone can come up with a working link to a place that actually carries it; I tried to find it and it seems to have been discontinued? :banghead::crying:

If anyone can come up with a working link to a place that actually carries it; I tried to find it and it seems to have been discontinued? :banghead::crying:


Ditto. What places still carry it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=984KU6mwQ5s
Here's the working youtube link. It starts at about 6:50

Dude, should have put the shirt on :-)

Dude, should have put the shirt on :-)

My thougts exactly. I think he used it to polish the spoons, he did say his favourite was an old t-shirt.

I would love to try this out though but with my clothes on.

Awesome...thanks for the share :smile:

Since it comes in powder form, some caution has to be taken with it.
Say, which varnish shoud I use to mix with this powder?

It's great but where to find. I just found it here but it is not available.
http://www.hlj.com/product/WRK00251

I checked the rainbowten.com site and it shows there in the Hobby & Painting Tool section under the WORK brand items. I hope it arrives to the states someday.




It's great but where to find. I just found it here but it is not available.
http://www.hlj.com/product/WRK00251

I have some that I ordered about six years ago from HLJ. If you don't get the basecoat just right, it can appear too dark but it' a great product.
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So, this means it makes a perfect reflection, isn't?:naughty:

Dude, should have put the shirt on :-)

Does anyone know if this is any different than the SNJ buffing powders?

I have some that I ordered about six years ago from HLJ. If you don't get the basecoat just right, it can appear too dark but it' a great product.
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Can you explain a little further? I had a smooth, gloss black enamel base on some wheels and the finish still appeared too dark after rubbing out.

I am absolutely desperate for this stuff so if anyone can find a place to buy it please let me know.

They both are applied in the same way, but, SJN was designed to be applied over metallic paints like silver and the Kossute over gloss black paint base.

Does anyone know if this is any different than the SNJ buffing powders?

If anyone does find it anywhere please share with us. I want to get some myself. Results look convincing.

[QUOTE=BVC500;6119916]Can you explain a little further? I had a smooth, gloss black enamel base on some wheels and the finish still appeared too dark after rubbing out.[/QU It sounds like we had the same results; I'm one of the people that can't apply Alclad properly and apparently I need to practice with this stuff as well. The items I used were on a '58 Impala I built last year. The finish was decent but it didn't look as good as those spoons did.
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That stuff looks great! I like that you can do "black" chrome with it too (or, I guess, will be doing it until you master it) because that's an effect I've been wanting to do for a while but couldn't figure out a convincing way. If anyone does find it, please let us know!

Thanks for the video link, too, that explained it really well. It's interesting how much a better understanding you get when you see it, even if you read a good description. Those modeling videos are great - I wish they were translated! I'm really curious about the painting effects he did later, around 8m; why was he holding his finger over his airbrush's tip and spraying bubbles into the cup??

One thing I don't like about Alclad chrome is that its not the same reflectivity at all angles. It looks great at wide angles to the light source then darkens as your eye moves in-line with the light.

In the spoon photos the Alclad II looks more reflective (though not as smooth) than the Gin San which worries me a bit. Notice the light source is always in the same location in all the photo's. I have a habit when photographing chrome. I subconsciously move around until I get maximum reflectivity. I bet if new pics are taken at a narrower angle relative to the light source the Gin San will look much darker than the AlClad.

Those modeling videos are great - I wish they were translated! I'm really curious about the painting effects he did later, around 8m; why was he holding his finger over his airbrush's tip and spraying bubbles into the cup??

I believe after adding thinner to the paint, spraying bubbles mixes them in the cup, a technique I picked up from the videos I use frequently. Saves time and means I don't need to waste paint or wash up any external mixing cups.

I am absolutely desperate for this stuff so if anyone can find a place to buy it please let me know.

http://www.hwjapan.com/index.aspx

http://www.hawkeyeshobbies.com/catalog/powders.htm

http://www.hwjapan.com/index.aspx

http://www.hawkeyeshobbies.com/catalog/powders.htm


Neither one has them. We are looking for Kosutte Gin San product.

Neither one has them. We are looking for Kosutte Gin San product.

The member Some_kid ask if someone knew where to buy the two stuffs (Kosutte and Hawkey powder).

And I say again:

http://www.hwjapan.com/sh/seeke.aspx?seek_code=WOR2513

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The member Some_kid ask if someone knew where to buy the two stuffs (Kosutte and Hawkey powder).

And I say again:

http://www.hwjapan.com/sh/seeke.aspx?seek_code=WOR2513




I wonder how long they've been out of stock with it. Usually HW doesn't really keep many items in stock anyway.

Anyone know any additional sources or at least similar products?

I wonder how long they've been out of stock with it. Usually HW doesn't really keep many items in stock anyway.

Anyone know any additional sources or at least similar products?

Yesterday there were two in stock. I can assure that one is on the way direct to my address. :iceslolan

One thing I don't like about Alclad chrome is that its not the same reflectivity at all angles. It looks great at wide angles to the light source then darkens as your eye moves in-line with the light.

In the spoon photos the Alclad II looks more reflective (though not as smooth) than the Gin San which worries me a bit. Notice the light source is always in the same location in all the photo's. I have a habit when photographing chrome. I subconsciously move around until I get maximum reflectivity. I bet if new pics are taken at a narrower angle relative to the light source the Gin San will look much darker than the AlClad.

I think you've hit the issue spot on!

Yesterday there were two in stock. I can assure that one is on the way direct to my address. :iceslolan

and the other is on its way to my address...lol I paid for it this morning

Damn it you guys are lucky.

:evillol:

Damn it you guys are lucky.

well i'm single now so I have total control over what extra money I have..2 years ago when I was engaged(basically married), i'd have to beg to be able to spend a whopping 20 bucks on model stuff even when I was the sole money provider in the house

You guys really don't know how bad I want this stuff. I could think of thousands of uses for it.

Try RainbowTen
http://www.rainbowten.co.jp/data/etool.htm

2042020400251,WORK ASSOCIATION,1500YEN,Kosutte Gin San (Metallic Finisher)

If I recall rainbowten doesn't ship to the US.

If I recall rainbowten doesn't ship to the US.

Send an email to http://www.hwjapan.com/ and ask when they will get again in stock. We are talking about a japanese product and a japanese store.

If I recall rainbowten doesn't ship to the US.

Wrong.

Yea I'm already awaiting a reply on hwjapan. I hope they get some more soon. I appreciate the links though, trying to help me and others out.

Wrong.

They've got an export ban on their spray paints, cements and thinners. I'm guessing Gin San may fall under this. I'm shooting them an email as we speak.

I second this, this is the place where I got it.

Wrong.

In case anyone having a problem getting it, Work's own online store says that the next production run is scheduled for April or May, so the usual Japanese stores should restock it by early summer.

In case anyone having a problem getting it, Work's own online store says that the next production run is scheduled for April or May, so the usual Japanese stores should restock it by early summer.

what is their website link?
i work in a belgian modelling store, and want to try to get those products in our shop

I order this from hwJapan (https://www.hwjapan.com/sh/WOR2513.aspx) to give a try after all the comments. Ordered on Mar 9 and received conformation of shipment today, Mar 16.

Unfortunately, I see it's marked "sold out" on the link today. :(
(http://www.hwjapan.com/)

Anyone have an update and/or a place that has this in stock right now? Must be an Asia-only thing, as no places here in the US or Europe have it...

I got mine in the mail last week, I opened it up and checked out the powder, and promptly turned my finger silver..lol. looks like some great stuff. I like how they include a glove and a breathing mask in the kit. Once I get some time at the bench i'll give it a shot.

Gray

I got mine in the mail last week, I opened it up and checked out the powder, and promptly turned my finger silver..lol. looks like some great stuff. I like how they include a glove and a breathing mask in the kit. Once I get some time at the bench i'll give it a shot.

Gray

I couldn't talk you into buying some of it from you, could I? :lol2:

Can't wait until they produce more and I can get some. The results look great and would work well on some of the 70s F1 cars I'm looking to build...

pm me your mailing address and i'll see if i can send a small amount to you in a few days

pm me your mailing address and i'll see if i can send a small amount to you in a few days

Nah, don't worry about it! I was joking, really. But if you are into sharing...:evillol:

I emailed the guys at HWjapan and they said (as was said before in this thread) april or may restock. I think I can wait until then...

I got mine in the mail last week, .



I´m still waiting my Gin San. Almost a month now. :mad:

My Kosutte has arrived last week. Very nice stuff. The box is too small but is not necessary to much powder to cover big pieces.

Now this paint maker from Brazil has very nice colours. http://www.easycolors.com.br/metalicas.html

The metallic colours are amazing. :eek:

HWJapan still hasn't restocked their KGS. I've been checking everyday for the past month, they said they should get another shipment in April/May. Here's to the end of the month!

what is their website link?
i work in a belgian modelling store, and want to try to get those products in our shop

http://www.work-web.co.jp/workseihin/c_work12.html

can someone link me to the hwjapan page. As when i search for it i find nothing. Is there any place else that has it, because i can't read chinese/japanese.

Thank you!! Im eagerly waiting for the restock.

I have been patiently waiting for restock as well. looks like this will turn out to be the next holy grail of automotive modelling :)

I'm utterly surprised that no other product I can find is like this. You'd figured if it were this revolutionary there would be knock-offs of the same technology galore... but NO! none that I can find. :headshake:crying:

Besides that, it's almost impossible to find online, even on strictly Japan only websites. Definitely either a hot commodity or Work just doesn't make enough. :banghead:

Today I sent a query message to the manufacturer WORK, about the product Kosutte Gin San. This was the response:


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[こすって銀ＳＵＮ] ( 商品コード：wk0126 )
I am interested in this product: こすっ て 銀 SUN
I want to be notified when the product becomes available. I am very interested.
Do you ship to Spain?
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I have not managed to translate correctly the answer :confused:. If there is anyone in the forum is capable of properly translating Japanese text, I would be very grateful.
However, there is a product that could be a midpoint between the Alclad II and KosutteGinSan:
http://www.spazstix.com/xcart/image.php?type=D&id=99

Apparently, the SPAZ paint provides a good effect:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7209357/anchors_7590134/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#7590134